discussion 1/72 HMS Iron Duke - Type 23 Frigate

[Waspie]

HI Doug yes i was on about the elephants ass as my norfolk had it fitted but garry's shown a pic on his I/D where its not now fitted so look like its been removed
chrisb

Just had a look at the upgrade programme. The ‘Duke’ class were designed to be all fitted with sonar 2087, (towed array), however, at the mid life upgrade it was decided the last 5 would not install towed array. Iron Duke being one of the last five!!

 

[boatman]

Just had a look at the upgrade programme. The ‘Duke’ class were designed to be all fitted with sonar 2087, (towed array), however, at the mid life upgrade it was decided the last 5 would not install towed array. Iron Duke being one of the last five!!

Thanks for that info Doug nice to know why the difference between garrys i/d an my norfolk
chrisb

 

[Waspie]

Thanks for that info Doug nice to know why the difference between garrys i/d an my norfolk
chrisb

Many war canoes of the same class differ, depending on refits, modifications and theatre of operations Chris.
It can be the same with aircraft.

 

[Tworrs]

Many war canoes of the same class differ, depending on refits, modifications and theatre of operations Chris.
It can be the same with aircraft.

Thanks Doug, as always each model ends up being different, which I suppose makes it all the more interesting.

 

[Guest]

Just had a look through again Garry , a build of a life time . So much time, skill and effort has gone into this.
Of course love the use of ply and the foam board, beautifully made with those intricate angles.The electrics are beyond me to comment!
As an aside Matron does take to the air but not as Chris thinks by broom ( she will have "words " with you Chris I hear ) but flies first class so can arrive much quicker than your parcels !
Great work and thoroughly enjoyable following .

 

[Tworrs]

Just had a look through again Garry , a build of a life time . So much time, skill and effort has gone into this.
Of course love the use of ply and the foam board, beautifully made with those intricate angles.The electrics are beyond me to comment!
As an aside Matron does take to the air but not as Chris thinks by broom ( she will have "words " with you Chris I hear ) but flies first class so can arrive much quicker than your parcels !
Great work and thoroughly enjoyable following .

Thank you John, much appreciated.
Tell Matron that she is welcome to visit any time, just let me know when, and I'll be on holiday somewhere else. :smiling:

 

[boatman]

Thank you John, much appreciated.
Tell Matron that she is welcome to visit any time, just let me know when, and I'll be on holiday somewhere else. :smiling:

OH NICE ONE Garry regards matron haha an as your sunday has nr gone did you take i/d for sea trails ? an if you did could there be some piccys please
ATB
Chrisb

 

[Tworrs]

OH NICE ONE Garry regards matron haha an as your sunday has nr gone did you take i/d for sea trails ? an if you did could there be some piccys please
ATB
Chrisb

No Chris sadly Sunday was a bust, so maybe next weekend.

 

[Tworrs]

Tuesday I managed to source some scrap lead to use as proper ballast, rather than the sand bags I had used to calculate what weight would be needed, and after cleaning all the bitumen and gunge off the lead, I cut it into smaller pieces and popped them in between the frames as low down as possible.
Then I floated her in my paddle pool and arranged the weights, so far all good, and good balance, then I notice some water in the hull, it turns out that my slightly rough installation of the lead had found a week spot in the hull and created a small split.
So back to the sanding down and resin coating again, but I also poured a dam of resin between the frames at that spot, so hopefully she is watertight again. Now I'm waiting for the resin to dry, then test, and then hopefully I can start re-coating the hull :smiling:

The fetching of the lead was fun, I had posted on the local book of faces what I needed, and a guy said pop around as he had what I was looking for, so jumped in the car, and of course the battery was flat, so I took out the bike, and wouldn't you know, it had a flat tyre.
So took the other bike which was OK, and fetched the lead.
I put the battery for the car on charge, but to no avail, by Wednesday the battery still wouldn't charge, and indicated a battery fault, so I phoned my wife and asked her to go and buy a jump start pack, which she brought home and then I had to charge the pack up. So a few hours later I got the car started. Then off to town to the battery place, and they said (obviously) the battery was kaput, so a new battery was installed.
So my quest for lead ended up costing $345 (about 170 quid).
Of course not a single cuss word was uttered, (if I'm lying, I'm dying)
So an eventful few days
Garry

 

[boatman]

Tuesday I managed to source some scrap lead to use as proper ballast, rather than the sand bags I had used to calculate what weight would be needed, and after cleaning all the bitumen and gunge off the lead, I cut it into smaller pieces and popped them in between the frames as low down as possible.
Then I floated her in my paddle pool and arranged the weights, so far all good, and good balance, then I notice some water in the hull, it turns out that my slightly rough installation of the lead had found a week spot in the hull and created a small split.
So back to the sanding down and resin coating again, but I also poured a dam of resin between the frames at that spot, so hopefully she is watertight again. Now I'm waiting for the resin to dry, then test, and then hopefully I can start re-coating the hull :smiling:

The fetching of the lead was fun, I had posted on the local book of faces what I needed, and a guy said pop around as he had what I was looking for, so jumped in the car, and of course the battery was flat, so I took out the bike, and wouldn't you know, it had a flat tyre.
So took the other bike which was OK, and fetched the lead.
I put the battery for the car on charge, but to no avail, by Wednesday the battery still wouldn't charge, and indicated a battery fault, so I phoned my wife and asked her to go and buy a jump start pack, which she brought home and then I had to charge the pack up. So a few hours later I got the car started. Then off to town to the battery place, and they said (obviously) the battery was kaput, so a new battery was installed.
So my quest for lead ended up costing $345 (about 170 quid).
Of course not a single cuss word was uttered, (if I'm lying, I'm dying)
So an eventful few days
Garry

Wow Garry if you dint utter a single cuss word then you are a better man than me as id be swearin like heck an the air would be blue as jen says i seem to lose my temper quicker now im an old codger than when i was young as at my time of life i cant stand things goin wrong like my eletric fault on them motors on my tiger as ive wired them up 20 different ways usein 5 different ESC an still no joy so i get the clap lol an i sit an clap my hands to calm down an i still havint solved the prob but by next wk i should with that other big ESC out of my norfolk an yes car batts are very exspensive as i had to buy one when i had the cd player goin for two hrs waiting while jen looked around the shops in north walsham as she goes in nr every shop an if i was with her she'd pull me through them an its enogh to send me round the bend cant stand lookin in shops unless its a model shop then wild horses wont keep me out so I/D is now ok YEA ? Garry an i got a suprise yesterday as ive really wanted to put tiger in the test tank to find any probs before her maiden vouyge but it was full of dead leaves but to my surpris jen an her freind cleaned it all out yesterday while i was asleep in my chair so now the tank is laid on its side to dry out as the girls cleaned it all up i was stunned so when my prob s sorted on tiger i will put her in test tank as like jen said its easyier to sort out a prob at home than up the pond WOW
Chrisb

 

[Tworrs]

You are a very lucky man Chris, Jen spoils you.
Good luck with your quest for the right ESC, and the best place to test is in the tank.
Don't get me started on women and shops
Garry

 

[boatman]

YES Garry jen has been a good wife to me over 40 odd yrs an yes we have our up's an downs like any couple but we still stick togeather as most young people dont seem to have the stayin power it seems to me but thats just my opinion
AN leaks in hull now that will be my stickin point when i do get tiger in the test tank ive got 11 weak points in my hull an they are 4 prop shafts an rudder an 6 stabillizers where water can get in so before she goes in i think i will remove them all an regrease them all in hope of no leaks an hopefully no hull leaks but think she will sit in the water bow down heavy as them 4 servos in them gun turrets are pilelin on the wheight an if thats the case then i will have lay some lead in the stern boy oh boy i'll be like an exspectant farther lol
chrisb

 

[stillp]

Umm... why does the test tank need to dry out Chris?
Pete

 

[Tworrs]

YES Garry jen has been a good wife to me over 40 odd yrs an yes we have our up's an downs like any couple but we still stick togeather as most young people dont seem to have the stayin power it seems to me but thats just my opinion
AN leaks in hull now that will be my stickin point when i do get tiger in the test tank ive got 11 weak points in my hull an they are 4 prop shafts an rudder an 6 stabillizers where water can get in so before she goes in i think i will remove them all an regrease them all in hope of no leaks an hopefully no hull leaks but think she will sit in the water bow down heavy as them 4 servos in them gun turrets are pilelin on the wheight an if thats the case then i will have lay some lead in the stern boy oh boy i'll be like an exspectant farther lol
chrisb

So far I've had to add about 2.5kg of lead to get her down to the waterline, but then again I have less equipment in Iron Duke.
I may float her again tomorrow, and make sure I have sorted the leak out, before finishing the hull off again, however the forecast is for heavy rain, so I will have to see.
ATB
Garry

 

[boatman]

Umm... why does the test tank need to dry out Chris?
Pete

HI Pete well its had old dead leaves in its an they make it all greasy in the tank side so the girls just pulled it up on it side for the sun to bake it dry an hard so when im ready to refill the tank hopefully there will be not much grease as my boaty mate richard bought over his 1/96 SCALE AIRCRAFT CARRIER
the IWO JIMA to float an when he lifted it out of the tank his carrier was all coverd in a slimy grease an he was not a happy bunny i can tell you so Pete that the reason ok
chrisb

 

[boatman]

So far I've had to add about 2.5kg of lead to get her down to the waterline, but then again I have less equipment in Iron Duke.
I may float her again tomorrow, and make sure I have sorted the leak out, before finishing the hull off again, however the forecast is for heavy rain, so I will have to see.
ATB
Garry

OK Garry well i dont think i'll need to worry about gettin tiger down to her water line as she is really heavy in fact so heavy we may not be able to lift her out of the pond so i'll have to take the rear funnel S/S off an the rear big batt out so then she may lift out as we have done some lift tests indoors an there was no crackin sounds thank goodness but that was with only one batt in her an not two as that the trouble when you scratch build a hull it may not be stroneg enough as ive seen some guys up the pond brake there boats in half as they did not build strong but i just hope i have
an i hope we dont get rain sunday as im takin norfolk up for a sail at norwich for the garla day
atb chrisb

 

[Waspie]

@boatman & @Tworrs. When you guys did inside your hulls. (I know Chris added Fibre Glass/Resin) did you apply 1 or 2 layers of FG?
Only reason I ask, is as I mentioned I watched the big Tupperware super yachts being built. They layer the FG on but ensure each layer is 90 degrees to the last to build strength into the hull. They also layered FG over heavy duty sections like engine mounts and ensured frames/bulkheads etc were covered to strengthen those point too!! (Aided in the waterproofing).

 

[Tworrs]

@boatman & @Tworrs. When you guys did inside your hulls. (I know Chris added Fibre Glass/Resin) did you apply 1 or 2 layers of FG?
Only reason I ask, is as I mentioned I watched the big Tupperware super yachts being built. They layer the FG on but ensure each layer is 90 degrees to the last to build strength into the hull. They also layered FG over heavy duty sections like engine mounts and ensured frames/bulkheads etc were covered to strengthen those point too!! (Aided in the waterproofing).

Doug, unlike Chris I didn't FG the inside of the hull, I just added multiple coats of resin. I figured that as the ply used for the skin was cross directional that would add sufficient strength along with the frames being only 45mm apart. The exterior was also just multiple coats of resin, paint and varnish. YMMV
Garry

 

[boatman]

Doug, unlike Chris I didn't FG the inside of the hull, I just added multiple coats of resin. I figured that as the ply used for the skin was cross directional that would add sufficient strength along with the frames being only 45mm apart. The exterior was also just multiple coats of resin, paint and varnish. YMMV
Garry

HI Garry im not tellin you how to build your model an this is a suggetion only but you havent got much fitted inside your hull cant you just take out what you have fitted in an then coverin up the bits you cant remove an then add F/G MATTIN an thats what give my hull the strenght to be lifted an hopefully wont leak but up to you on that
chrisb

 

[Tworrs]

HI Garry im not tellin you how to build your model an this is a suggetion only but you havent got much fitted inside your hull cant you just take out what you have fitted in an then coverin up the bits you cant remove an then add F/G MATTIN an thats what give my hull the strenght to be lifted an hopefully wont leak but up to you on that
chrisb

Thanks for the suggestion Chris, however she seems to be strong enough, so I'll leave it be.
Maybe with the next one
Garry