discussion Alclad 2 and Vallejo Question...

[Andy2035]

Hi all,

Was just wondering if you can paint Alclad 2 on top of Vallejo, is Alclad the same as Vallejo paint or are they different, I've only used Vallejo through my airbrush so was wondering if it's all the same...

 

[stona]

Alclad is not an acrylic but a laquer based product. It sprays just like anything else,does not need thinning but requires cleaning up with cellulose thinners.

As a general rule I use the mnemonic L-E-A for laquer-enamel-acrylic. This is the safest order to apply the different types in.I've never tried to spray Alclad over Vallejo paint butI would be cautious,maybe do a little test first.

Cheers

Steve

 

[Guest]

Steve has summed it up with the laquer v acrylic , but yes you can spray alclad over vallejo , I`ve just done it on an area of floor pan on a Lotus 79 I`m doing , but don`t expect fantastic results that alclad can give if your using the metalic metal range , it will come out looking no different than the vallejo or tamiya metalics , for a true alclad finnish you need a black high gloss enamel base .

Richy

 

[Guest]

By one of those strange coincidences I read this today when looking for other info on the Vallejo site.

"Once protected with varnish, (Gloss, Matte or Satin) Model Air can be overpainted with solvent based enamels or oilcolours: they withstand cleaning with turpentine and even a light wash with alcohol. The resistance to abrasion of the colours, once varnished, is superior to any other waterbased acrylic"

Laurie.

 

[Andy2035]

Thank you all for the replies, reason I was asking is I was thinking of getting some of the Alclad 2 30ml Transparent Red ALC-401...

 

[stona]

"Once protected with varnish, (Gloss, Matte or Satin) Model Air can be overpainted with solvent based enamels or oilcolours: they withstand cleaning with turpentine and even a light wash with alcohol."

Laurie.

Mmmmmm. Maybe a bit of marketing speak there. I've removed Vallejo paint very easliy with alcohol,actually Methylated Spirit.

Cheers

Steve

 

[Guest]

Mmmmmm. Maybe a bit of marketing speak there. I've removed Vallejo paint very easliy with alcohol,actually Methylated Spirit.Cheers

Steve

Ahhh yes Steve but was your Vallejo Paint protected with Vallejo varnish ? They do also say a light wash with alcohol not a deep soak. Although I am not sure why you would want to wash with alcohol when there are plenty of other ways.

Shall do my usual testing & report & test Vallejo. Got to say that all that Vallejo claim has so far, for me, been spot on.

Laurie

 

[Guest]

Yep Vallejo spot on. I now have a very clean 1/72 Hurricane.

Tried both Alcohol & Methylated Spirit. Passed over the surface about 4 times with a fair coat & watched it evaporate away. No reaction at all. That was Vallejo Varnish on Vallejo Paint.

Laurie

 

[Guest]

Mmmmmm. I've removed Vallejo paint very easliy with alcohol,actually Methylated Spirit.Cheers

Steve

I had a go this morning with Meths on a fuselage piece I use to test colours etc. So it had multiple layers of paint some going back a year ie really cured Vallejo Acrylic Model Air.

Thanks you have hit Steve on a great tip as I had not realised how potent this stuff is, meths that is..

The paint came away easily all the way down to the plastic. Also it does not interfere with the plastic. A really easy paint remover. Perhaps I am of course the last person on earth to realise all of this !

I wonder how many have slaved, as I have, with wet & dry to remove Acrylics.

Laurie

 

[Andy2035]

So could you drop a model into a bath of meths to remove pain and would it also work on old enamel paint, I'd like to re-do a couple of old models I did years ago...

 

[Guest]

Andy I only tried it by rubbing with a meths wet tissue. From my short experience this morning it softens on top rub that off then go for another layer. The surface turned into a thin treacle when rubbed not a krinkle such as paint remover.

I would have started, if a whole aircraft, by covering just part with meths using a large paint brush then rubbing off with a tissue. But then others may have used other methods.

Laurie

 

[Guest]

Should have added that I tried removing Vallejo Acrylic Model Air paint so can only comment on this paint. Other paints may be different. Also if it has been covered with Vallejo Acrylic Varnish there is some resistance there.

Laurie

 

[Guest]

Andy I asked Vallejo about the question you posed orginally.

This is their answer. Taken a little time which is unusual for them but hlidays must take a toll.

Dear Laurie,

Well,Alclad have a very intense solvent base on their colors.When you paint on top of acrylics(waterbased ones like ours)with solvent paints no bad reacction have been known and most of the modellers(do not know still why) use to work on this basis,acrylic base and solvents on top…

Be sure that the acrylic paint it’s completely dry before you apply a solvent paint coat.

Regards

Vallejo

Laurie

 

[Andy2035]

Hi Laurie,

Many thanks for that Sir, much appreciated...:thumbsup: