discussion Pre shading help

[Guest]

what shade of black should I use for pre shading?

 

[Guest]

It doesn't matter - as long as it's darker than your main base coat, it'll show through.

 

[Guest]

When I tried it I just used flat black, (Tamiya Acryl), i've heard mention of using everything from brown to grey to black etc, I don't think it matters.

In fact I tried it once and found it a total and utter waste of time as by the time you have a good coat on top you can't discern the effort put in, it just dissappears, I guess you need to mist on very very thin coats to get a result.

Some swear by it, I just swore at it

 

[stona]

Some swear by it, I just swore at it

I agree,it's very difficult to control. I mainly post shade as you can see what you are doing! BTW I once preshaded under AlcladII with very bizarre results. The shading was either invisible or very stark depending on what angle you were looking at the model from,that just about sums it up for me.

If you want to try it there are two schools of thought. First just preshade with any shade of black or dark grey. Second preshade with a darker shade of the colour you intend to apply on top,so called "same colour preshading".

I just looked at this thread:

http://www.scale-models.co.uk/autumn-winter-2010-11-group-build-under-construction/10904-gb-not-gb-1-72-bob-entry-airfix-spitfire-4.html

A fine demonstration of post shading,much more controllable!

Cheers

Steve

 

[AlanG]

I tend to use Tamiya XF-1 flat black too

 

[Guest]

I forgot to say it was the panel lines that I want to standout in my F-15.

 

[stona]

I forgot to say it was the panel lines that I want to standout in my F-15.

I'm guessing the F-15 will be grey so pre-shade with black. Check some references,the modern modelling trend to make aircraft look like patch work quilts is not,in my opinion, very realistic.

Cheers

Steve

 

[AlanG]

the modern modelling trend to make aircraft look like patch work quilts is not,in my opinion, very realistic.Cheers

Steve

Some panels on the Tornado were cleaner than others due to them being removed more often for access. Some by this definition were dirtier too. But not every line on an aircraft should be seen unless you are in a VERY dirty environment or you have high paint wear

 

[Guest]

Bear in mind, modern jet aircraft are kept typically cleaner in service than WWII warplanes were

 

[Guest]

I like pre-shading; the key is thin coats. Check out Brett Green's tutorial videos on youtube.

 

[AlanG]

I like pre-shading; the key is thin coats. Check out Brett Green's tutorial videos on youtube.

 

[Guest]

Cheers all thanks for the info.

 

[Guest]

Alright Graham

Just a quick one; when pre-shading it really depends on the base coat you intend to use. The darker the base coast the less point there is in pre-shading because you simply won't see it. On something like a German tank in Dunkelgelb then it makes a lot of sense because you'd get some nice results that way. The same principle works on aircraft. One of the things i've learnt to get a good result for pre-shading is to be so constant with the coverage using my airbrush. Meaning that if i over-spray, some pre-shading will show up on one wing but maybe not the other. Looks a bit ridiculous

Cheers

Paul

 

[Guest]

Now, the thing is, (and admittedly it may be the poor compression quality of that video), but the end result looks to me like the end result I got which amounts to barely showing through to degree that the time spent doing this seems pointless.

I know Brett Green is a well respected modeller and has written and produced plenty and i'm not trying to rubbish him, just my thoughts on the video shown.

 

[AlanG]

If i'm honest i think he painted over the preshade far too much. But he's the 'expert' lol

 

[stona]

And the above demonstrate perfectly the reasons I have reservations about it! Add a few coats of Klear,weathering etc and it's even harder to obtain a consisitent result....for me anyway lol.

I find it hard enough to anticipate the effect of future processes on my post-shading.

Steve