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  • PaulinKendal
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    • Jul 2021
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    • Paul
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    Dwarf Gem Collector

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    This miniature comes from Mr Lee's Minis. It comes in three pieces - the hand with the jewel and the fez are separate pieces (blu-tacked on for this photo).

    This will be my first painted bust, my first resin figure and my first attempt at Object Source Lighting (OSL). Any advice gratefully received.

    Specific questions before I begin - I'm guessing it'll be best to use two part epoxy to glue together - but concerned about how stringy it can be. And I might need to pin the hand. How do I ensure I get the alignment I require when drilling for the pin - do I just use flexible wire and do some judicious bending once the holes are drilled?

    How do I safely address seam lines and fill plugs? Can I sand them - how hazardous is resin dust?

    More pictures, including a stock one of the completed figure, from the supplier's website.
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  • Tim Marlow
    • Apr 2018
    • 18938
    • Tim
    • Somerset UK

    #2
    Love the look of him Paul. He is smaller than I expected as well….
    I see lots of layer technique in your future LOL…..
    As to working with resin, there are more experienced heads around than me, but I would follow this regime. Cover your bench in something like a sheet of newspaper to catch swarf, and wear a mask, while sanding (a disposable Covid type will be fine) and cleaning up the figure. When the dust producing stages are done, just fold the paper inwards to catch all the bits and throw it away. I would also throw the mask out. Once you’ve cleaned him up I would then wash him. For which glue to use during assembly, it depends upon how positive the joints are. It sounds like the hand is not that tightly engineered, so your wire idea is a good one. Copper cable from 1mm T &E off cuts would be useful for this.
    Epoxy gives a much stronger joint than CA. CA works very well for positive joints, and epoxy is better for loose wobbly ones.
    Once you have it aligned as you want, and can repeatedly assemble him as required, then CA should hold it in place. If you use epoxy, then blue tack may be needed to hold the alignment well enough while the glue sets.
    The fez looks like it can be put together either using CA or epoxy, but again it depends how good the fit is as to wether the joint needs support. Personally I’d use epoxy and blue tack, mostly because you can fine tune the alignment while it dries. You won’t need much, so get ready, mix the glue, and do both joints at once. A trick I’ve used in the past for larger or heavier joints is to cover most of the joint with epoxy, but put a couple of spots of CA on to tack the part in place while the epoxy dries.
    As to OSL, well I’m all eyes, and hoping to learn :smiling5:

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    • Mickc1440
      • Apr 2018
      • 4786

      #3
      That’s a great looking little bust. Check out YouTube as there are some tutorials for OSL on there. I’ve seen some fantasy painters do some brilliant work using it. Good luck

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      • Ian M
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        • Dec 2008
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        • Ian
        • Falster, Denmark

        #4
        Resin is nasty stuff. Use a razor saw to cut blocks off. Place the parts being cut on wet paper towels to hold the dust. Always wear a mask.
        Use wet wet and dry to sand with.

        A thick slow CA jell should hold him together.
        Group builds

        Bismarck

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        • PaulinKendal
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          • Jul 2021
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          • Paul
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          #5
          Thanks for the encouragement and advice chaps. I think I'll go with epoxy, as it's certainly tougher than CA, and having bits fall off at a late stage is horrible.

          The figures I've been painting so far come fully assembled, so I've got used to painting them like that, even though there are clearance issues at times. With this mini, I'm undecided as to whether I should assemble and then paint, or paint the separate parts then assemble afterwards. I think I'll attach the fez first, as it presents no issues in the painting stage that I can see.

          But the hand... OSL will be easier to do if I can put my airbrush in the same position as that jewel, at least for when I'm setting up the initial light values. Leaving the hand off will also make painting the beard easier. But if I paint it all up first, I'll have gap-filling to do on that wrist joint, which will then need finishing with very careful blending into the paintwork already done. And it's in a prominent position, with gem-light illuminating the cuff...

          Decisions, decisions - it's so much easier when the mini comes ready-assembled and you have no choice in the matter!

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          • Jim R
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            • Apr 2018
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            • Jim
            • Shropshire

            #6
            Hi Paul
            What a great bust. Just so full of character. I look forward to this.
            Jim

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            • Tim Marlow
              • Apr 2018
              • 18938
              • Tim
              • Somerset UK

              #7
              I think your idea of a locating wire for the hand will make this bit much easier Paul. You may not need to do any filling, the area is pretty much in shadow, just see what it’s like first….

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              • Steve Brodie
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                • Sep 2014
                • 4652

                #8
                I’ve never had any bits fall off, ooh matron, using superglue. Have some excellent industrial stuff from Amazon.
                Looks a great little bust, have fun

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                • PaulinKendal
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                  • Jul 2021
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                  #9
                  First try at two-source light mapping. I'm thinking of making the ambient light (from over his left shoulder) cool blue, and the gem-light a warmer yellow-green. These sketches are just to get a sense of where the two lights would fall, so the fact the colours are wrong doesn't matter - it's just so I can differentiate one from the other.
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                  The end of his nose is ridiculously bright. It's a function of the light source I used - a highly directional torch shining upwards. The gem would cast light around itself more evenly - his beard would be as brightly-lit as his nose, for example.

                  There are definitely limitations in using a torch like this to analyse OSL - not just a case of slavishly following lightmap photos like these, clearly. But a useful starting point nonetheless.

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                  • PaulinKendal
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                    • Jul 2021
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                    #10
                    Here's a really good blog on OSL - specifically the sort of effect I'm trying to achieve (although I have no illusions I can get anywhere near the amazing standard achieved here!)



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                    • Tim Marlow
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 18938
                      • Tim
                      • Somerset UK

                      #11
                      You could soften and diffuse the light source by putting some baking paper over the torch lens Paul. It should give more of the effect you are after. Loving the thought and idea, by the way…..

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                      • Tim Marlow
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 18938
                        • Tim
                        • Somerset UK

                        #12
                        This might be worth a look as well if you haven’t seen it..

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                        • PaulinKendal
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                          • Jul 2021
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Tim Marlow
                          This might be worth a look as well if you haven’t seen it..
                          Thanks for the link, Tim. I do like Mr Venturella's work generally (although I do wish he wouldn't say "M'kay?" quite so often) and I've found him frequently very helpful indeed. But I'm not sure this video is particularly helpful in this instance.

                          Here he's doing low-key and localised OSL, whereas I'm going for highly theatrical - no subtlety in the final effect (although I'm going to have to be very controlled with technique in achieving that high impact).

                          Vince says the best OSL is very, very subtle. I simply can't agree with that - the pictures of The Alchemist above surely indicate that OSL can be extremely unsubtle and still work very well indeed.

                          I also don't think it's helpful that Vince says OSL is extremely difficult - he says he's not trying to intimidate viewers or put them off, but you'll only start to get there with OSL after fifty attempts or so. If that's not offputting, I don't know what is!

                          I've watched lots of other YouTubers, and I try to learn something from them all (although there are wildly different techniques for achieving good OSL effects, and plenty of them are mutually exclusive, so they can't be mixed together - I'm going to have to decide on one approach or another).

                          I've found the following helpful - Squidmar Miniatures, NJM Marco Frisoni (worth the effort in getting your head around his accent), 52 Miniatures and Zumikito Miniatures.

                          For example, Marco explores bold, cinematic OSL here - this is the level of theatricality I'm after:



                          It's all grist to the mill, of course - even Vince Venturella!

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                          • Tim Marlow
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 18938
                            • Tim
                            • Somerset UK

                            #14
                            I always like the fact he tries to show why rather than just how…….but agree he can be off putting sometimes, as can virtually all the others LOL…..I’ll take a look at some of the others sometime. I’ve watched vids by most of those guys, but Frisoni is a new one to me.
                            Might be worth looking at actual paintings as well Paul…Rembrandt was pretty good at directional lighting techniques

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                            • PaulinKendal
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                              • Jul 2021
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                              #15
                              That's interesting, Tim. We were in Newcastle recently and I took a picture of some NMM in the Laing Gallery - just shows there's nothing new under the sun.
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                              It's called Hazel in Black and Gold, by Sir John Lavery. I think the thick pile velvet is amazingly realistic from normal viewing distance, and it's good to be able to see the deception up close.
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