Young un's

[Guest]

Hi all after the success of having our granddaughter this weekend I want to put some questions out there.

Our son and his missus are bringing their daughter (our granddaughter ) up by the book. They were told by the midwife to give her milk out of the fridge (this is after breastfeeding she did a good job of that but not practicle all the time) so they were struggling to wean her off breastfeeding we said warm the milk up, but of course we know nothing then after a month of screaming sessions we get a phone call warming the milk up is the answer, der didn't we say that a month ago. Cut a long story short after lots of similar occurances where we were proved right. We get told she can't have chocolate till 7 months (might not be 7 seven months there are so many dates she can have this or that ) the point is they are sticking to what they are told by the letter. Has no one told them no 2 people or babies are the same.

My questions are

Are the midwives/doctors creating a generation of sheep is everyone supposed to end up a carbon copy of everyone else.

Are they setting our kids up to fail (or feel like they have failed)

Are doctors and midwives really so out of touch with the real world

God I could go on forever, what happened to experience and common sence.

[monica]

well some very interesting Q,s you have hear,

hard to know the right thing to say,I have never been a mother, I just did not wont kids, ,but thats just me,

I do think in away that the next to follow us will be sheep,

i have friends who have breastfeed, untill 1,3 or 5 depending on the little, one and if the mother is working or not,

and to give a little one cold milk, is a no no, why would a doc, or midwife say that ?

all the mothers I know, do as there mothers and there grandmothers did before hand , and our clan has grow, and is still strong

if for medical reasons a kid needs special care there is no reason not to do as other, and the ways of your mothers and thair mothers have worked

hope you understand what im getting att, the old ways still work and should be used

[Guest]

That is the way things are going. Some people live their lives rather like painting by numbers.

Marks and Spencers for total meals they grow them on trees now ! Seen children who do not know what a sprout looks like and pineapple is grown in cubes. The cow produces cheese in slices and of all things all the same size.

They watch the clock to enable out of date produce to be thrown away when its time is up.

Yet sensible things such as putting children on a lead when out on a busy street is a no no.

Laurie

[flyjoe180]

My nephews have strict diets, routines etc too. So much emphasis is put on avoiding allergies and general illness. The thing I don't understand is that in order for the body to build up immunity against certain ailments it needs to be exposed to bugs and dirt and other things deemed to be 'bad'. Look at the number of people with asthma, gluten intolerances etc. Past generations don't have many of those complaints. There was nothing wrong with playing in a sandpit and playing with dog poo, or chewing on a lead-based painted bed frame, or falling off one's tricycle. When you get hurt you learn, and you learn quick (within reason of course). Anti-bacterial soaps and other modern household cleaning agents are actually in my opinion causing as many issues for people in the future as they prevent in the short term. Harden up modern parents I say, and just do what you think is right. Unless you are mindless or don't care, in which case it is easier to just go by the book.

[ojays]

Hi all after the success of having our granddaughter this weekend I want to put some questions out there.Our son and his missus are bringing their daughter (our granddaughter ) up by the book. They were told by the midwife to give her milk out of the fridge (this is after breastfeeding she did a good job of that but not practicle all the time) so they were struggling to wean her off breastfeeding we said warm the milk up, but of course we know nothing then after a month of screaming sessions we get a phone call warming the milk up is the answer, der didn't we say that a month ago. Cut a long story short after lots of similar occurances where we were proved right. We get told she can't have chocolate till 7 months (might not be 7 seven months there are so many dates she can have this or that ) the point is they are sticking to what they are told by the letter. Has no one told them no 2 people or babies are the same.

My questions are

Are the midwives/doctors creating a generation of sheep is everyone supposed to end up a carbon copy of everyone else.

Are they setting our kids up to fail (or feel like they have failed)

Are doctors and midwives really so out of touch with the real world

God I could go on forever, what happened to experience and common sence.

This is quite normal now, when we have charge of our grandkids we do what we think is correct.

As I recently told my eldest daughter who at 37, had our first granddaughter two years ago,

"No two babies are the same, and are not old enough to read the instruction manual anyway"

How did she reach 37 if we did it all wrong !!!!!!!!!!

I believe that a lot of what is being put out by the so called professionals, is to justify their existence!

Gregg

[monica]

This is quite normal now, when we have charge of our grandkids we do what we think is correct.As I recently told my eldest daughter who at 37, had our first granddaughter two years ago,

"No two babies are the same, and are not old enough to read the instruction manual anyway"

How did she reach 37 if we did it all wrong !!!!!!!!!!

I believe that a lot of what is being put out by the so called professionals, is to justify their existence!

Gregg

to me Gregg thats hit the nail on the head if your mother and father and grand parents did so bad why are we hear , and have kids,

and thats so turn Laurie, they forget were and how food is from, i like jJamie Oliver did some very good shows about that whole thing were food comes from,

well Joe, i think what your saying is happening far to much kids need to be kids so what if they eat a snail, or a hand full of dirt, they only do it once unless they like it,

and its all the things they told not to do that makes them biger and stronger that pills for this or that , it come from being in the world

oops sorry said more that my 2c worth, but old is good and never hurt me,

[Guest]

Hi

When me and the mrs had our son the midwife was amazing and the best bit of advice she gave is there is no right or wrong way to do things (within reason no hanging the baby over balcony like wacko jacko)

Each baby does things differently do what you think is right.

We never got any books we never followed any studies the only advise we took was from our own parents and that was sparingly.

My son is now 7 years old and a little master modeler in the making and am not saying things have been easy but we have done okay so far.

I think people listen to much to so called experts only for a few months down the line someone else discredit them for something else.

Many Thanks Paul

[Guest]

Thanks for all joining in I think a lot of these so call experts have no idea, have never had kids, too busy being experts to bother with having kids and spending to long in the clinically clean laboratory and not in the real world. Don't get me wrong I am not saying anything they are bad people just they don't live in the real world. I think new parents are to blame a bit too, I mean they don't have to stick to the book rigidly even the best instruction manual is not meant to be followed religiously, it's just an advice sheet really, who follows kit instructions to the letter I know I don't, yes sometimes I wish I had, but that's how we learn surely?

[Guest]

When Carrie had Mia we were always told breast is best but due to carrie being unable to breast feed the midwives outright refused to offer any information on feeding with formula as they told us they were not allowed to do so, which I think is outrageous. However we found that milk at about room temp is about right after all it doesn't come from the breast cold, as for things like chocolate even now with Mia being nearly 3 we don't give here much sweets only as a treat now and again but that is our personal choice. There is a lot of information that we are being given that is based on guide lines because every child is different, and the mid wives don't want to have legal action taken against them, in the same breath there is information that some mothers need that they are not getting such as information on formula feeding for those who either chose not to or cannot breast feed.

scott

[ojays]

That's why it's called a 'NANNY STATE' now.

[Guest]

It may well be a nanny state but if we are all sick of it what are we as parents actually standing up and doing about it..... not much is the answer.

scott

[Guest]

Say KP what is your christian name ?

Laurie

[Guest]

That's the thing nobody does do anything about the nanny state because the government have the people pulling in different directions all the time to keep themselves in power.

if the populous ever started to pull in the same direction or decided to stand up for themselves the the governments would be worried.

The thing is as well is a lot of people are just for better words brain washed now by the media if a magazine/newspaper or tv show says this or that it must be true no questions asked why would they lie?

I think that a lot of people are just told something and they automatically believe that this is the right way to go about things cause some nameless chinless wonder said it was the best way.

Free thinking has gone out the window.

cheers Paul

[Guest]

Hi Laurie it's ken, ken pithouse hence kpnuts

[Guest]

It never ceases to amaze me how the so called experts will say this is the way one minute and then completely change direction and say that's the right way now. We do take a lot of what science tells us as true without much question. For instance we are told that the nearest star to us is 4 light years away, now to prove that they would have to send a beam of light to it (assuming we had one powerful enough) then have someone wait 8 years constantlymonitoring it till it got reflected back, and yet we all believe that theory, all I am saying is where is the proof. There are countless other things we take as true simply because someone in authority says it's true I think we are turning into zombies we soon won't have the ability to think for ourselves and it's all starting with bringing up baby as the state tells us to.