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    70 year ago VE day : what was i doing.

    Lived in Surrey/London Chessington known as "World of Adventure".


    What did I do at 6 and a half years old pre-war baby. Probably out playing in the street. The street had 106 houses all 2 up one down. All the families were young families so on average with 2 kids per household I had a potential of over 200 friends.


    The houses one fire burning coal. One coal boiler which took 24 hours to heat water to a tepid temperature. One bath a week. All this provided you could get the rationed coal.


    We slept probably a quarter of the war in an Anderson shelter in the garden. It was cosy I thought at the time this was all normal. 50% of the the windows in the house were covered with lino as the glass had been blown in by a bomb blast. There were numerous holes of missing houses in the streets around but not ours.


    Little idea, like most kids, that a war had been raging for 6 years. Our parents desperately carrying on to look outwardly as if we were living an ordinary life. For the kids that was so. The nearest we got was seeing a Spitfire ot Tempest interrupting the game on at the time. In 44 some times a V!1 thundering across the sky. At night in the shelter a mass of bombers crossing over on there way to Germany. An occassional army lorry or a soldier walking down the street with his rifle.


    Then evacuated in late 44 to Sunderland (then argument between mum and paternal grandma over fleas in the bed) and so then Hull. Then back to Chessington as the V1 threat had retreated.


    VE for me held little. Probable that mother was very happy but her time was spent looking after 2 kids without any of the resources we have to day and with the little food available on rations. Oranges Bananas were unknowns as was icecream. We got regulation jelly with custard the latter made from powdered egg sent from the New World.. We had 12 chickens in the mini back garden and the front garden was covered in spuds. or later runner beans


    So VE day for me. I bet it was something like this. Squabbled with sister. Smacked annoying friend who then smacked me back. Playing with dinky cars on home made roads in the garden soil. Sum total of one car each second hand and worn out but treasured. Afternoon out in the street, no petrol no cars, playing cowboys and indians.


    Lastly no TV. Think of that. But Itma on the radio.


    Laurie


    Any one else of my age an recollections ?
  • Guest

    #2
    Great post Laurie, thanks for that little insight into what it was like. Can't even begin to imagine. My misses says maybe that why her oldest patients only like an occasional bath or shower (she is a nurse).

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    • papa 695
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      • May 2011
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      #3
      Great post Laurie


      But 17 years before my time

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      • tr1ckey66
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        • Mar 2009
        • 3592

        #4
        Great post Laurie


        It's hard to imagine rationing now, but apparently the nation was never healthier. Perhaps there's a need for it now with all the obesity problems in the modern age although maybe not quite so austere!


        Kids do just get on with things and i dare say your Dinky car was a lot more precious than anything going on in the larger world.


        Thanks for sharing.


        Paul

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        • rickoshea52
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          • Dec 2011
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          • Rick

          #5
          I'm out with the family in Aldershot for a VE day parade and sideshows.
          On the bench: Airfix 1/48 Sea King HC4, Revell 1/24 Trabant.
          Coming soon: Airfix 1/72 Phantom FGR2.
          Just finished: Airfix 1/48 Stuka & Airfix 1/72 Sea King HC4.

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          • Guest

            #6
            You are right Paul. There were only thinnish boys and girls. Butter was rationed and a morsel of cheese per week. All vegetables were fresh. Exercise was built in. Playing in the woods climbing trees no TV you see or computers.


            Interesting things. Sunday tea time. Lettuce with a sugar and vinegar dip mix and a slice of bread with a scrapping of butter. Delicious my favourite.


            Dripping. All fat from any meat was poured into an earthenware tall pot. The residual gravy would then sink to the bottom. Favourite breakfast. Slice of bread with a handsome covering of dripping. I would use as long a knife as possible to reach down and nick a bit of gravy dripping at the bottom of the pot. A sprinkling of salt and a breakfast fit for a King (King remember then).


            Eggs. These were rationed. But you could swap the egg ration for chicken feed meal. So we had 12 chickens amongst the carrots and cabbages so we were not short on eggs.


            Going to bed in the winter. No heating with temperatures down to 0 degree or lower. Thick pyjamas (they were also rationed) and you pulled the sheet and eiderdown back lay on the bed. The sheets were cold as cold as if out of a refrigerator. I held the sheet just above my body until my body heat warmed the sheet a little then lowered. Morning came and as warm as toast under the eiderdown. I stayed there as long as possible as the bedroom was just a large refrigerator.


            Sister bating such great fun. She was younger and we slept in the same room. I liked the bedroom absolutely black she did not. Lying there in the dark I would slide out of the bed, skilfully, onto the floor. As a likely candidate for the SAS I would creep across the floor to her bedside. Then lift myself to her height in bed and shriek "bo". Then fall about laughing as she shouted out "mum he is doing it again". Just loved it. Especially when she said i know you are doing it and I was safely in bed.


            War yes but I had a fantastic life as a child. Every minute and second was filled with fun and laughter.


            Laurie

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            • Guest

              #7
              Originally posted by \
              I'm out with the family in Aldershot for a VE day parade and sideshows.
              Just returned from the re-enactment of the Liberation of Jersey. The day after VE day. What a performance as it is every year. It starts at 10:00 and goes on all day.The serious part the re-enactment as HMS Beagle (represented by the frigate to day HMS Iron Duke) moored and sent a contingent of the British Army ashore to take control from the Germans.


              There they met Jersey Officials headed by the Bailiff (head man in Jersey). Then flags were flown from Liberation Square and the German flag was taken down on the Fort Regent (a former barracks) and the Union Flag way up above St Helier raised. A good breeze to day and the Union Jack flew proudly over the gathered people below probably three or four thousand. Proud to have been there.


              Laurie

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              • grumpa
                • Jan 2015
                • 6142

                #8
                VE day was a great day for the victors but the nightmare had only begun for over 2 million German soldiers and many German civilians as well who languished in camps all over Allied controlled Europe. Over 2 MILLION PEOPLE died of starvation, exposure, brutality and disease and this went on well into 1947! All this as a matter of "Policy" while hundreds of thousands of tons of food literally rotted at various ports and blankets, tents, clothing and medicines were sold off in the black market. Imagine that o_O The Germans were not the only ones involved in genocidal acts, only the most publicized...... Sorry

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                • Guest

                  #9
                  Jim war is not perfect. The Humane suffer and die the inhumane suffer and some live.


                  Just think of Belsen etc. Also of the battalions of Germans which were formed for the sole purpose of killing Russians both soldiers and civilians. Those battalions were formed not of Nazis types they were the baker the electrician the plumber the jeweller the grocer. All were told you can join these battalions or go to a fighting outfit. They spent the war killing.


                  In Vichy France Marshall Petain, a French man to the core ????, sent hundreds of French Jews to their doom in concentration camps.


                  I can comfortably say that British and Commonwealth with the USA, compared to Germany and the Russia, performed a war in as humane a way, as it can be in war, and that that was not only to their enemy but also with their own military personnel. With out doubt there were exceptions in the same way that in German quarters there were many humane exceptions.


                  It should not be forgotten that the German Nation at that time applauded Hitler's intentions. That Russia Poland Czechoslovakia Romania Finland Norway France Great Britain Greece Albania Netherlands Denmark Belgium Croatia Serbia were all going about their business in the way that nations do. That is until their human way of going about things in a happy way were interrupted.


                  From my and many others personal point of view the crème, those who would teach me, those in front of me had been lost in war. For every soldier or civilian lost there was a price to be paid by their loved ones and children their parents.


                  These are the figures of people who died due to the German Nazis War.


                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties


                  Laurie

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                  • grumpa
                    • Jan 2015
                    • 6142

                    #10
                    No doubt you are right my friend, many pogroms were committed long before Hitler and his henchman came into power.


                    The Slavic peoples {all inclusive} have enacted some of the most heinous atrocities known to man against a helpless population, the {Jews} Not to mention all the other well known barbarities man has perpetrated upon his fellow human beings. None of us are guiltless {as societies}. My only point was that there was a terrible injustice done by those nations who sacrificed much, who's men fought and died in the cause of freedom, justice and humanity. I believe their supreme sacrifices were sullied and tarnished by those in the higher govt. positions. There were many documented protestations to this cruel and heartless policy, all for naught. I can tell you from first hand experience that combat is a kill or be killed business but certainly one can understand that when a foe has been defeated and once surrendered it is incumbent upon the victor to be humane otherwise we become no better than even a cruel and inhumane enemy.

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                    • Guest

                      #11
                      Jim

                      Originally posted by \
                      Over 2 MILLION PEOPLE died of starvation, exposure, brutality and disease and this went on well into 1947!
                      Not something I have read and therefore am ignorant about. Could you point me in the direction that you found the information on the above. I have read a couple of books about the early occupation of Germany including Montgomery's part in the British sector. None of the above came to light there and I wonder if it has been carefully forgotten in those books. Montgomery himself was guilty of not telling lies but telling the truth in a very imaginative and manipulative manner.


                      Laurie

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                      • rickoshea52
                        SMF Supporters
                        • Dec 2011
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                        • Rick

                        #12
                        There's a lot of revisionist history going around at the moment, the latest one suggests that Churchill was a secret homosexual! There's a big pile of salt in the corner of my living room.
                        On the bench: Airfix 1/48 Sea King HC4, Revell 1/24 Trabant.
                        Coming soon: Airfix 1/72 Phantom FGR2.
                        Just finished: Airfix 1/48 Stuka & Airfix 1/72 Sea King HC4.

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                        • Guest

                          #13
                          Yes and Rick I have read Churchill drank Champagne in the morning in bed in his silk pyjamas in an Afghan dressing gown. Then of all things had a couple of tots of Brandy at lunch time.


                          Can you believe that. Could any one do that. Yes I will give it a go. What a man what taste.


                          Laurie

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                          • grumpa
                            • Jan 2015
                            • 6142

                            #14
                            Originally posted by \
                            Jim
                            Not something I have read and therefore am ignorant about. Could you point me in the direction that you found the information on the above. I have read a couple of books about the early occupation of Germany including Montgomery's part in the British sector. None of the above came to light there and I wonder if it has been carefully forgotten in those books. Montgomery himself was guilty of not telling lies but telling the truth in a very imaginative and manipulative manner.


                            Laurie
                            Please read "Other Loses" by Canadian author James Bacque, I assure you ,you will learn more than you wish to know.

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                            • grumpa
                              • Jan 2015
                              • 6142

                              #15
                              Originally posted by \
                              There's a lot of revisionist history going around at the moment, the latest one suggests that Churchill was a secret homosexual! There's a big pile of salt in the corner of my living room.
                              I personally find such rumors to be absolutely deplorable! I can just imagine the slimey pantywaist that made such an allegation against the greatest statesman and patriot that has ever lived! Probably himself a homosexual of the worst type there is. Britain would be absolutely blessed with a man of Sir Winston's ilk today, but I'm afraid as is the case in this country also that the electorate is so jaded, ignorant and just plain stupid to see a diamond if it were sitting on their noses!


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