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Seeing as Alan is getting all good at figure painting maybe he will be doing a battle scene from one of the original films ( the hoth battle is the best ( before cgi ) that is
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Star Wars when it came out first time Lucus did what he did with what he had budget and all and let's face it 4/5/6 were brilliant. There it should have stayed as it was a good versus evil ( Robin of sherwood and the evil sherif of Nottingham ) etc etc
He had made his dreams come true ( but what of 1/2/3 we have new story's but do we? The rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker? From boy to Darth Vader Obi one journey? ( fozzie beat? ) I mean Yoda all characters we later know and love but I think CGI has gone too far. I have watched all 6 films back to back and I have looked at the battle scenes in 4/5/6 and without cgi they look realistic enough to believe but blue screen / green screen computer generated I can't see the real action or the proper vehicles in depth ( like anakin and obi ones ( tie fighters ) the water chutney things the wookies ride on in episode 3 or the early is it assault craft ( star destroyers or early versions of the ATAT. Yes I know it's all make believe but there are too many holes in the films 1/2/3 to make me believe and rush back to watch more
Terminator Genysis was good and believable ( Lucus never hashed that up )
But then again it's all about what brings kids to the cinema and CGI seems to work. They made the Spartan film 300 in an aircraft hanger ( cGI )
Ok that's me had my moan too
I'm off to the wizard of oz now and dream of Judy Garland!!!
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Oh dear! Lots of grown-ups getting in a tizzy about the latest children's film!
I'll be going to the pics to watch and simply enjoy the escapism of it all. Who cares about plots, characterisations, CGI vs models etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam?
Love 'em or loath 'em, the original Star Wars films broke a lot of ground for Sci Fi films and now there are loads of 'em around. I wonder how many Sci Fi blockbusters would have been made without them to kick start it all?Comment
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Not really a tizzy Dave more a discussion about the pros and cons of somethings we all grew up withOriginally posted by \
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Tizzy...TIZZY! 'Wailing and gnashes teeth. stamps foot and throws stuffed wookie out of cot."Originally posted by \
True, it is escapism and as you said Dave, the originals have given a lot of enjoyment and sparked creativity for other film. But that is just it, the keyword is originals...not the half baked hallucinations of EP, I, II, II.Comment
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It's all about progress & money. As new technology becomes available to film makers they'll use it. And CGI is much cheaper than using models & miniatures.
Star Wars defined the modern Sci-Fi film & more importantly, showed Hollywood that there was a huge potential market for such films.
As Dave rightly says, many or probably most of the films & tv shows that followed Star Wars would never have been made if George Lucas hadn't fought to make it happen.
And let's not forget, we were all kids when we saw A New Hope - I was 10. Nowadays kids want cartoony type stuff. It's what they're used to. And if it gets a younger generation interested in science fiction, that's great! Sci-Fi pushes back the boundaries of what's possible & makes the improbable a reality.
So many ideas that have become reality began as fanciful ideas in Sci-Fi stories.
As for the Star Wars series, Lucas never intended for there to be such a gap between Ep VI & Ep I. He got distracted with other projects, like Indiana Jones & the creation of THX (the cinema sound system) .
By the time it came to make The Phantom Menace, his original audience had grown up. No-one was sure the new films would be a success or not. Hence the unfortunate inclusion of Jar Jar Binks - a character to appeal to kids, pushed onto Lucas by the money-men.
It was only by Ep III that Lucas could get back his control & vision. Revenge of the Sith is a much darker film than the previous two.
I'll watch the new ones & enjoy regressing back to being an awestruck kid again - after all, isn't that what they're all about?
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Star Wars has been cartoon styled as other classics like Captain Scarlet and Thunderbirds and CGI etc has taken over, but after dreaming of Judy Garland and the yellow brick road it is true we move on with the times to create newer audiences and keeping captain Scarlet and Thundebirds alive can't be all that bad after all.
Last I heard George Lucas has sold his Star Wars off anyway so brighter new ideas can begin.
No one ever mentioned Lord of the Rings in this Star Wars discussion ( 87% CGI )
i loved Star Wars as a kid and fond memories I'll have that the man "who taught us to cross the road "was in fact a baddie after all
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Star Wars is the biggest franchise ever known , the reason for using CGI is to make cheeper movies that will make more money and cheat the fans , Star Wars will make enough money to build models and sets with tweaking of CGI and still make a massive profit and keep to its roots
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If CGI isnt used and developed more and more, then we will be living in times where our children will think all films have George fornby singing odd songs in black and white, and some cheeky character keeps being clumsy while wearing a flat cap... Ok ok, so they WERE golden years of film, but I digress.
When Avatar was released, it gave new light to complex CGI, and bearing in mind that with the new 4K tv systems, Bio-screen TVs and whatever next they develop, then CGI will play a major and important role in film making.
This is because as a society, we have evolved and developed better understanding of realism.
Thirty years ago, starship enterprise hanging from a thread, swinging across a painted background, then super imposed onto a backdrop was so realistic people loved it. Nowadays, even though it's cult TV, we honestly look and say 'jeeez that was crap wasn't it!'
So today, we look at tv and film only ten years old and think that CGI and technology has improved our film and TV experience so much. Society almost demands more realistic filmage, and most of the storylines, and action shots that filmmakers, producers, and story writers do nowadays is in fact IMPOSSIBLE to do without CGI.
Unless you want old style poor quality realism.
The old Star Wars films, (which I still get confused over, one two three, four five wtf episode is what) were great in their day, but look at Empire strikes back, and the Atats being attacked and falling over. That's so cheesy, poor quality filmage nowadays, I cringe! But back then it was fabulous!
So, without disagreeing with the main point of this thread, that Lucas is in fact dredging the barrel in an attempt to make more money, a sad fact that these writers have run out of original material! The fact is, CGI is a majorly important part of film and Tv.Comment
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Sorry Alan, I can't agree! Star Wars is a bigger brand than Disney? Not on your nellie!
As for CGI, are there any films or tv shows that don't use it these days? Battlestar, Stargate et al are all made with CGI, not models.
Personally, I find many modern productions too busy & confusing as the SFX people cram too much in.
But that's my age talking - kids simply lap that stuff up! And that's the target audience, not old farts like us!Comment
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No you misunderstood me Patrick, as a global brand you are correct but as a single film franchise Star Wars is bigger than any single film Disney has produced I apologise for not not adding thatOriginally posted by \
Are there's a big difference from tv and big screen film , CGI works on TVs but IMO not on large screenComment
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Ah it's that often mis-used word ' franchise ' that confused me! Not your fault, everyone does it!Originally posted by \No you misunderstood me Patrick, as a global brand you are correct but as a single film franchise Star Wars is bigger than any single film Disney has produced I apologise for not not adding that
Are there's a big difference from tv and big screen film , CGI works on TVs but IMO not on large screen
I'd agree that the Star Wars logo, characters & theme is probably one of the most globally recognized products of the film era.Comment
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No problem mate Disney is the biggest franchise and now it has the biggest single franchiseOriginally posted by \
I just hope there's no singing in this new film lolComment
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I think there should be a film brand/logo/character recognition quiz, you could have Star Wars characters, Marvel, DC, Star Trek, Haribo,, opps I mean Hasbro etc
There has to be someone smart enough on the forum to make one up? That's if they could be bothered lol
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Mmmmmmmmmm...Haribo.Originally posted by \I think there should be a film brand/logo/character recognition quiz, you could have Star Wars characters, Marvel, DC, Star Trek, Haribo,, opps I mean Hasbro etc
There has to be someone smart enough on the forum to make one up? That's if they could be bothered lol
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