Burnout, are there two sides

[Guest]

Personally I, am now only going to post start and finish pics, it is true if you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all. I feel with this attitude I will get more modelling done, if someone wants to know how I did something they can ask

We are all modeller s we know how to use the glue and the instructions of a kit. I prefer to post more pictures with my final project instead steps of my work ,if there are not relevant. Especially for small models. With ships... Is different. So many details, you have to show them once you rich that level otherwise will be lost on the.final pictures.


And I must tell you this. I left last forum I have been in because some of of the old members becomes over the years a kind of savant s in business knowing everything about modelling, opening thread s with long, long philosophical discussion showing how smart and how much they know and less and less posting of theyr work. But Theyr stile became a trend on that forum and I hate people tryin g to be what they are not. And no modesty, and beeing brutal in comments with new member and savant and extremely annoying comments on the old members threads. So I give up posting, I give up going to monthly meetings and exhibitions. I found this forum and I found the members here very friendly. But a little bit a constructive comments don't hurt, trust me. This is my opinion!

[Guest]

Not quite sure where you are coming from on the 'post every part they stick on' bit. I post loads of pictures with a load of waffle about what I am doing but this isn't meant to be anything other than giving people an idea of how a kit goes together. Sometimes I am a bit disappointed when I see a great build of a kit I would like to have a go at but there is not much info about how it was put together. I for one would be just as happy reducing the number of posts if people don't want to see them, it would give me more time to build them lol
There is a 'Critique Corner' forum for people who want serious critique of their build. Posting in there does not mean that the model will get real constructive criticism as not everyone may feel that they are skilled enough to write such a thing. However, it does mean that anyone posting in that forum has to take the rough with the smooth. I seem to remember there was a similar discussion going on when this Critique Corner forum was originally set up.


The whole idea of a critique depends on quite a few things which can inhibit the quality of the critique. A badly written critique can come over as harsh and possibly cause offence. A good critique can only really be written by someone who has a good background in either the techniques used, the type represented by the model or is well read on the history of the period.


I could not write a good critique as I know little about anything. I wouldn't know if the colour was wrong, the air filters are the wrong period for the type of vehicle or what machine guns were used after 1944. Why don't I know this? Its simple, I don't really care. Sorry if that offends people but I only build models for the fun of modelling not for the research and history of it. That does not mean that I don't respect those that do know, in fact I really admire the knowledge that some people have, it amazes me how they can hold that sort of information.


It also doesn't mean that if someone with that knowledge politely pointed out I was doing something wrong that I would object to having it pointed out. That comes with the proviso that they are not offended if I thank them for their input then ignore it. It is my model and I will build it how I want to which may or may not include corrections to improve it if I feel like doing that. ops:


I could write a critique based on whether I like what someone has done with a build and, if I do like what I see, I can honestly say that for me, it is a great build. This will not be based on accuracy as I probably wouldn't know. It will not be based on the technical ability of the modeller simply because it is unlikely that I would know what their skill level is so would not be in a position to judge it.


Given the above, there would be no inherent value to any critique I wrote but if I honestly like something and get the feeling that the modeller has had a good go at it then I will say so. If I don't like something but do not feel qualified to say why, what would be the point of me saying anything? The downside to saying that is that now, if I say nothing, people will assume I don't like it which may not be true, it could be I just missed it.


At the end of the day, apart from certain aspects of a build, it is all a matter of opinion. Yes, it is easier to say "Great job" than to say "what the hell is that". I don't believe that many people on here take every 'happy' comment seriously but if it encourages them to keep modelling then job done as far as I am concerned.


I certainly don't take every good comment as being gospel, I do know my own abilities and I know when I get it wrong. I, and very few others, build a perfect kit each time. I have never built a perfect kit but if I enjoyed them then I just smile at my mistakes and make a mental note to try not to do that again, but chances are I will. It is a much nicer environment when people maybe are a little overgenerous. Trouble is, now I have said that, nobody will believe me when I say "Great job" anymore.


There is, to me, more to being on a forum than the finesse of the modelling. Modelling for a lot of people is a very solitary hobby. Not all of us have access to, time for or ability to become part of their local modelling club. A forum can be the only social contact many of us have with other like minded people. I will be quite honest in that issues I have had in the past has made it very difficult if not impossible to take criticism at times when I have been on edge. In fact, I will be completely honest and say that I actually offended and upset a well respected member of this forum for saying something to try and help me along when I was in a state were I couldn't accept it. A shameful action on my part which I have regretted ever since. Thankfully that person has been the bigger man and has not held it against me.


So, it is not all about the level of modelling, for some it is much more than that, it is a social club. That does not mean that others are here for more than that, that they need to have real criticism to help them develop their skills. However, don't you think that people can learn and develop by example as much as direct constructive criticism? A ineffective critique can actually be a really negative thing whereas a over generous comment can just give the incentive to keep climbing that ladder.


I feel that there is a place for well written critiques and I am sure if people want them then there are people on this forum who are knowledgeable and skilled enough to write them but, sadly, I am not one of them.

This is exactly what is am thinking about it!

[rickoshea52]

Personally I, am now only going to post start and finish pics, it is true if you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all. I feel with this attitude I will get more modelling done, if someone wants to know how I did something they can ask

I think that would be a real shame to restrict your posts to first and last, you do interesting builds and the pitfalls you avoid or fall into are valuable to others. I watched your build thread of the rusty French car from afar with interest even though it is a subject I wouldn't go near.

[Guest]

I'm sorry to have offended you spats that was not my intention and I certainly did not call anyone names nor did I say I was not interested in anyone's work, what I was actually saying was people are probably getting bored of MY posts I post a lot of pictures as I build, although it's not happened on here it has on other forums I am on where no one even looks at what I've posted, and I think that's what has happened, people have become bored of my posts. I don't intend for that to happen on here (my favourite forum)so am taking action to stop it. I started this thread to see if anyone else thought of this as well. As I said sorry to have offended you.

[Guest]

I'm sorry to say this will be my first and last post.
I have just found this forum as I am interested in getting into plastic scale modelling as a help to my main interest of Scale RC Helicopters.


On the RC Heli forums I frequent no one is lambasted because they post a lot about a build they are doing and most are encouraged to post more.


In my opinion if you are not interested in commenting on a build or in giving help or CC don't read it and don't get involved.Don't start name calling just because it has no interest to yourself (aimed at OP).


Good luck to all in your hobby, I will look elsewhere for inspiration.

Well, I'm sorry to see someone making a judgment about an entire forum based on one post! And you've rather missed the point of Ken's thread. He isn't suggesting that anyone begin to 'lambast' people's posts, but instead he's looking for opinions regarding the two subjects that he's raised.


If you want to begin making static scale models, there's probably no better forum than this one for support & inclusion. In 7 years, I've seen many new people join, all of whom were made very welcome irrespective of their modelling subject.

[Robert1968]

Not quite sure where you are coming from on the 'post every part they stick on' bit. I post loads of pictures with a load of waffle about what I am doing but this isn't meant to be anything other than giving people an idea of how a kit goes together. Sometimes I am a bit disappointed when I see a great build of a kit I would like to have a go at but there is not much info about how it was put together. I for one would be just as happy reducing the number of posts if people don't want to see them, it would give me more time to build them lol
There is a 'Critique Corner' forum for people who want serious critique of their build. Posting in there does not mean that the model will get real constructive criticism as not everyone may feel that they are skilled enough to write such a thing. However, it does mean that anyone posting in that forum has to take the rough with the smooth. I seem to remember there was a similar discussion going on when this Critique Corner forum was originally set up.


The whole idea of a critique depends on quite a few things which can inhibit the quality of the critique. A badly written critique can come over as harsh and possibly cause offence. A good critique can only really be written by someone who has a good background in either the techniques used, the type represented by the model or is well read on the history of the period.


I could not write a good critique as I know little about anything. I wouldn't know if the colour was wrong, the air filters are the wrong period for the type of vehicle or what machine guns were used after 1944. Why don't I know this? Its simple, I don't really care. Sorry if that offends people but I only build models for the fun of modelling not for the research and history of it. That does not mean that I don't respect those that do know, in fact I really admire the knowledge that some people have, it amazes me how they can hold that sort of information.


It also doesn't mean that if someone with that knowledge politely pointed out I was doing something wrong that I would object to having it pointed out. That comes with the proviso that they are not offended if I thank them for their input then ignore it. It is my model and I will build it how I want to which may or may not include corrections to improve it if I feel like doing that. ops:


I could write a critique based on whether I like what someone has done with a build and, if I do like what I see, I can honestly say that for me, it is a great build. This will not be based on accuracy as I probably wouldn't know. It will not be based on the technical ability of the modeller simply because it is unlikely that I would know what their skill level is so would not be in a position to judge it.


Given the above, there would be no inherent value to any critique I wrote but if I honestly like something and get the feeling that the modeller has had a good go at it then I will say so. If I don't like something but do not feel qualified to say why, what would be the point of me saying anything? The downside to saying that is that now, if I say nothing, people will assume I don't like it which may not be true, it could be I just missed it.


At the end of the day, apart from certain aspects of a build, it is all a matter of opinion. Yes, it is easier to say "Great job" than to say "what the hell is that". I don't believe that many people on here take every 'happy' comment seriously but if it encourages them to keep modelling then job done as far as I am concerned.


I certainly don't take every good comment as being gospel, I do know my own abilities and I know when I get it wrong. I, and very few others, build a perfect kit each time. I have never built a perfect kit but if I enjoyed them then I just smile at my mistakes and make a mental note to try not to do that again, but chances are I will. It is a much nicer environment when people maybe are a little overgenerous. Trouble is, now I have said that, nobody will believe me when I say "Great job" anymore.


There is, to me, more to being on a forum than the finesse of the modelling. Modelling for a lot of people is a very solitary hobby. Not all of us have access to, time for or ability to become part of their local modelling club. A forum can be the only social contact many of us have with other like minded people. I will be quite honest in that issues I have had in the past has made it very difficult if not impossible to take criticism at times when I have been on edge. In fact, I will be completely honest and say that I actually offended and upset a well respected member of this forum for saying something to try and help me along when I was in a state were I couldn't accept it. A shameful action on my part which I have regretted ever since. Thankfully that person has been the bigger man and has not held it against me.


So, it is not all about the level of modelling, for some it is much more than that, it is a social club. That does not mean that others are here for more than that, that they need to have real criticism to help them develop their skills. However, don't you think that people can learn and develop by example as much as direct constructive criticism? A ineffective critique can actually be a really negative thing whereas a over generous comment can just give the incentive to keep climbing that ladder.


I feel that there is a place for well written critiques and I am sure if people want them then there are people on this forum who are knowledgeable and skilled enough to write them but, sadly, I am not one of them.

I have to agree with you Graham


Spot on


Kind regards


Robert

[spanner570]

I'm sorry to say this will be my first and last post. Good luck to all in your hobby, I will look elsewhere for inspiration.

That's a shame........ !

[Guest]

The way I see it is simple! When we were at school if our teacher asked what is 10x10 and we said 110 the teacher wouldn't say correct! They would help us understand what the right answer was and in turn it helps us for the rest of our lives! Same principle as modelling. I have learned a hell of a lot from here and if I have questions I PM the modeller. In saying that No I don't want to see a picture of a part before and after it has been primed and personally I would like to thank kpnuts for having the balls to finally bring this subject up.

[eddiesolo]

Firstly it isn't anything to do with your work, not just Ken's but all folks builds. I think times change, people have other things, work, house, garden etc. With the nice weather...yeah, right...trying to break through folk tend to slow down in modelling and commenting. I am the same, I love Ken's work and all the build threads and finished work. I may not always comment but I do look.


If you want critique or help, ask for it or slap it into the correct section or PM a member who did something you're interested in.


All forums are the same, they go through ups and downs, it isn't anything personal.


I love you guys...keep smiling and build when you want and post what you want.

[Guest]

I'm sorry to have offended you spats that was not my intention and I certainly did not call anyone names nor did I say I was not interested in anyone's work, what I was actually saying was people are probably getting bored of MY posts I post a lot of pictures as I build, although it's not happened on here it has on other forums I am on where no one even looks at what I've posted, and I think that's what has happened, people have become bored of my posts. I don't intend for that to happen on here (my favourite forum)so am taking action to stop it. I started this thread to see if anyone else thought of this as well. As I said sorry to have offended you.

You certainly didn't offend me Ken, and personally I love following your builds, if I don't comment about them it isn't because I'm bored, its because like I said befire, I often only comment if I feel I have something to add.


Keep posting ya builds mate, I'd hate for you to stop.


Cheers, Andrew

[Guest]

I apologise Ken if it was yourself that you were going on about but it did not say or insinuate that in the post as you were doing it a third person context.


I have now broke my promise of only doing one post so I suppose I might as well hang about around here learning and admiring your works.


Thanks again for the PM no hard feeling.


Dave

[eddiesolo]

I apologise Ken if it was yourself that you were going on about but it did not say or insinuate that in the post as you were doing it a third person context.
I have now broke my promise of only doing one post so I suppose I might as well hang about around here learning and admiring your works.


Thanks again for the PM no hard feeling.


Dave

Nice one Dave, sometimes thing get read wrong or taken wrong, difficult when just reading and not face to face. 99% of the time is isn't meant how it is supposed to be.


Hope you find what you want and can incorporate into your RC helicopters.

[Guest]

I apologise Ken if it was yourself that you were going on about but it did not say or insinuate that in the post as you were doing it a third person context.
I have now broke my promise of only doing one post so I suppose I might as well hang about around here learning and admiring your works.


Thanks again for the PM no hard feeling.


Dave

You will get used to the fact that some of us are completely bonkers and the rest, well, they are getting there. You will get used to us mate so stick around, it's a laugh as well as modelling

[stona]

When I post a WIP thread I don't post pictures of every part I attach to the model, which would be pointless and boring, even to me. I try to show the major phases of construction and, more importantly, draw attention to any issues with the kit, good or bad. In doing so I hope to be useful to anyone else who might fancy having a go at the same kit and provide a bit of entertainment for others. This is a hobby and it's supposed to be fun.


I will always give an honest opinion of a kit from the point of view of an experienced, average, model builder. Nobody gives me free kits or free anything else! If, in my opinion, it's sh*t, I'll say so and if it's brilliant I'll say so too. I understand that as I make mostly large scale aircraft, my builds might hold no interest for some members of the forum, and I would hardly expect them to comment. In fact I don't expect anyone to comment, but it is always nice to know that people are watching and are interested.


I always look at models posted by members which fall outside my area of interest and am usually pleasantly surprised by the skill and imagination of the various members efforts.


When I look at other people's models I will make a general comment, always looking for something positive and encouraging to say. If I can't do that I won't say anything. As Graham says, a forum is a social site for like minded people and nobody comes here to get slagged off in a pointless and unnecessary way. If somebody asks for an opinion on some specific feature of a model, colour, etc. and I feel qualified to help then I will.


Luckily the membership here generally follows these sort of unwritten rules and unpleasant exchanges, toy throwing ,etc. are mercifully rare.


Cheers


Steve

[grumpa]

I dunno...I kinda liked the little "views" thingy, it was always a little shot in the arm to see your latest post get x-amount of attention, even when only the sound of crickets can be heard from the


comment corner. "Vanity"?...nah...even Rover likes to get his ear scratched now and then.. .............Jim