Is this weird or what !?

[yak face]

You think that's something john, can anyone splain dis?

I think its quite straightforward jim , the radiac saw was invented a LOT earlier than we think :smiling5:

[Guest]

Many a strange thing , makes you wonder . Why not that is my answer. There are places on this earth where governments denies all entry, once you shroud a place in mystery the stories start.

[The Smythe Meister]

I think its quite straightforward jim , the radiac saw was invented a LOT earlier than we think :smiling5:

.... and just WHERE WAS the B&Q that they got it from way back then?!!:thinking::tears-of-joy:

[Tim Marlow]

You think that's something john, can anyone splain dis?




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There are way too many of these pics to list.
How were these "impossible" feats of stone softening, cutting, lifting, transporting, for many megalithic sites are far
from their quarries, and finally lifted and perfectly placed? Some to over 400ft in height as in the Great Pyramid in Egypt.
It is obvious to anyone with even only several brain cells operating that these feats were not done by primitive man or any man.
Who, what, when, were and how? Only the what and were can be answered, the who, when and how will never be answered.

This bothers me to no end, I am a logical man and all these things defy logic and certainly make the powers that be in all these historical societies look like fools when they push these ridiculous theories that primitive men with stone hammers and copper chisels
created these marvels......what are they trying to hide?


Jim'

Just because we don’t know how they did it, doesn’t mean they didn’t do it Jim. I’m really not trying to be antagonist here, just putting a different viewpoint that you might find interesting…..

Let’s start with a couple of examples:

Salisbury cathedral is a highly complex structure that is over 400 foot high. It was built of masonry a Thousand years ago, using stone sourced from at least fifty miles away, and nobody really knows exactly how it was done. What is sure is that it was built using trade knowledge, animal muscle, and hand tools, because there wasn’t anything else around. Lifting some of the large blocks up to the spire must have been a hell of a task just using basic wooden structures and muscle.

Roman structures from a thousand years earlier, such as the Pantheon and the Coliseum were built using very similar techniques. They too are huge and very complex, and the stone used had to be mined, transported, accurately cut, and placed. Again, no one really knows how it was done.

However, as these structures were built during a time when written records exist about other “important“ events, no one really tries to say they were made by ETs engineering brother.

Stonehenge, built in the same area as Salisbury cathedral two and one half thousand years earlier, is constructed of very large chunks of stone. Some of the stone was sourced and moved from South wales, some eighty miles away, while the rest was sourced from the Marlborough downs, about twenty miles away. Some parts of this structure weigh up to fifty tons. Obviously they could move the close stuff, so they could also move the distant stuff. It just took longer. The stones are finely worked, using stone tools. The structure is held together with both tongue and groove and mortise and tenon joints, and the stones have been lifted accurately into place. We do not know how they did any of this, but we know they did, because the evidence is still there in front of our eyes.

Working techniques didn’t seem to change much between Roman and Medieval times, despite very little being written down. Is it therefore so inconceivable that these techniques could just go further back into pre history, being modified very slowly with experience, and passed on simply by word of mouth?

[The Smythe Meister]

Just because we don’t know how they did it, doesn’t mean they didn’t do it Jim. I’m really not trying to be antagonist here, just putting a different viewpoint that you might find interesting…..

Let’s start with a couple of examples:

Salisbury cathedral is a highly complex structure that is over 400 foot high. It was built of masonry a Thousand years ago, using stone sourced from at least fifty miles away, and nobody really knows exactly how it was done. What is sure is that it was built using trade knowledge, animal muscle, and hand tools, because there wasn’t anything else around. Lifting some of the large blocks up to the spire must have been a hell of a task just using basic wooden structures and muscle.

Roman structures from a thousand years earlier, such as the Pantheon and the Coliseum were built using very similar techniques. They too are huge and very complex, and the stone used had to be mined, transported, accurately cut, and placed. Again, no one really knows how it was done.

However, as these structures were built during a time when written records exist about other “important“ events, so no one really tries to say they were made by ETs engineering brother.

Stonehenge, built in the same area as Salisbury cathedral two and one half thousand years earlier, is constructed of very large chunks of stone. Some of the stone was sourced and moved from South wales, some eighty miles away, while the rest was sourced from the Marlborough downs, about twenty miles away. Some parts of this structure weigh up to fifty tons. Obviously they could move the close stuff, so they could also move the distant stuff. It just took longer. The stones are finely worked, using stone tools. The structure is held together with both tongue and groove and mortise and tenon joints, and the stones have been lifted accurately into place. We do not know how they did any of this, but we know they did, because the evidence is still there in front of our eyes.

Working techniques didn’t seem to change much between Roman and Medieval times, despite very little being written down. Is it therefore so inconceivable that these techniques could just go further back into pre history, being modified very slowly with experience, and passed on simply by word of mouth?

Normally I'd agree with you Tim...
... But not in this case...
When you have the latest,High Tech,Engineers saying "even with all of our latest heavy movers,and cutting machines, it'd take a mammoth,(No pun intended ),time and coordination to replicate this"
... SOMETHING IS AMISS MATE

[Mark1]

The largest stone ever moved by manpower alone, i.e. without the use of animals or machines, is the Thunder Stone, an enormous boulder of granite serving as the pedestal of the famous Bronze Horseman statue of Peter the Great at St Petersburg, Russia. Before being cut into shape as the pedestal, the Thunder Stone measured 7 m by 14 m by 9 m, and was estimated to weigh around 1500 tonnes. It was moved 6 km overland to the Gulf of Finland from the marsh in Lakhta, north of the Gulf by dragging it across the frozen Russian countryside during the winter of 1768, a process taking 9 months and requiring 400 men, pulling it upon a metallic sledge.

Who knows whats possible when you got thousands of slaves at your disposal :thinking:

[Tim Marlow]

Normally I'd agree with you Tim...
... But not in this case...
When you have the latest,High Tech,Engineers saying "even with all of our latest heavy movers,and cutting machines, it'd take a mammoth,(No pun intended ),time and coordination to replicate this"
... SOMETHING IS AMISS MATE

Salisbury cathedral took about 100 years to build……their timescales are not our timescales…….low tech with huge amounts of manpower and limitless time can sometimes outperform high tech kit….

[Allen Dewire]

Who knows whats possible when you got thousands of slaves at your disposal :thinking:

Me being able to finally finish a build that I started!!!...For one..............

[Mark1]

Salisbury cathedral took about 100 years to build……their timescales are not our timescales…….low tech with huge amounts of manpower and limitless time can sometimes outperform high tech kit….

Very true, antoni gaudi's sagrada familia in Barcelona was started in 1882 and even with the invention of CAD and CNC technology to speed up the process still only reached its halfway point in 2010.

[David Lovell]

Its only 765 years old I think the main body took about forty years to get up and running interestingly the footings are only about 1.2 meters deep because of the water table interesting they had engineer's and architects that could calculate it would be safe to build on such didn't quite have a long enough piece of string for a plumb bob that spire dont half lean over. Most of what Andy and the boys have been talking about referring to is a bit further back in time.
Don't care how they built stone henge your not telling me they went to all that trouble just for longest day solcest winter rubbish coz if that is the case what did they do before that. Dave

[Tim Marlow]

Very true, antoni gaudi's sagrada familia in Barcelona was started in 1882 and even with the invention of CAD and CNC technology to speed up the process still only reached its halfway point in 2010.

Having seen both, Salisbury is far the superior….sorry to any Gaudi fans out there…..some of the other buildings he designed are actually more interesting…..but it does absolutely illustrate what I’m trying to say….

[The Smythe Meister]

Salisbury cathedral took about 100 years to build……their timescales are not our timescales…….low tech with huge amounts of manpower and limitless time can sometimes outperform high tech kit….

...true....., however,time and manpower alone can't create some of the incredibly accurate,precise and stunningly tight fitting constructions... let alone the "drilling" of perfect holes,and "carving" of 90° recesses... I could go on

[Mark1]

...true....., however,time and manpower alone can't create some of the incredibly accurate,precise and stunningly tight fitting constructions... let alone the "drilling" of perfect holes,and "carving" of 90° recesses... I could go on :smiling3:

Im open minded when it comes to this ancient stuff, the thing with theories is that you can believe more than one is feasable.

[Tim Marlow]

Its only 765 years old I think the main body took about forty years to get up and running interestingly the footings are only about 1.2 meters deep because of the water table interesting they had engineer's and architects that could calculate it would be safe to build on such didn't quite have a long enough piece of string for a plumb bob that spire dont half lean over. Most of what Andy and the boys have been talking about referring to is a bit further back in time.
Don't care how they built stone henge your not telling me they went to all that trouble just for longest day solcest winter rubbish coz if that is the case what did they do before that. Dave

My maths is shocking LOL. All very true Dave. The footings are inspected by diver I think……though that could be Winchester, my memory is as bad as my maths…..it’s actually built on layers of rush matting and basically floats. …it’s all pounded into you from a very young age when you live in the city…..

The spire leans because the supports were designed for a lantern (a shorter square structure designed to let lots of light in), not a spire. The spire is much heavier and was added later and has significantly distorted the supporting stone, despite additional supports being added. It’s quite sobering to stand under the spire and look up the supports. They twist like wet string…..

We don’t know why they built the henge, or Avebury’s stone ring, or any other structure of its type and age, because written records don’t exist. it’s part of the fascination….trouble is, I find it hard to believe it was a Stone Age spaceport……all I was trying to say is that skills of the time we’re trade “secrets” passed on by word of mouth, and there is no reason to believe that hadn’t been happening for thousands of years.

The whole region around Stonehenge is part of the construction, by the way. It extends for miles in every direction and indicates that there was a large and complex society living around there, certainly large enough to build the henge. After all, the population of Salisbury was only around 7000 when the cathedral was built.

By the way, did you know there is a wood henge a few miles to the north west? It actually post dates Stonehenge. No one knows why that’s there either…my guess is that it was the high priests private garden LOL….

[David Lovell]

Hi Tim ,wasn't being pedantic or my usual wind up merchant self just even i thought 1000 years ?blimey. It is a magnificent building a few years back at the Salisbury model show i won the models for hero's best in show the prize was a trip for two up the spire unfortunately never got back to take it up. As for the rest of this discussion I think its just down to how open minded we want to be ,me I'm of the we are not alone groupe they cant prove a lot of things to be right by the same token they can't be proved wrong ,what I will say though I dont lose any sleep over it if I wake up tomorrow and there's aliens out side dont worry I will be the first to pm you with a big I bloody told you so stay safe buddy. Dave