Blood pressure high...again

[Lee W]

High blood pressure you say?! You need less time modelling, clearly the 2 aren't going together at the mo! :smiling5:
Joking aside, I hope you getting it back on track mate :thumb2:

[simontie]

Simon, you are passing on very poor information here.

From someone that spent almost my entire working life in the pharmaceutical world, I can tell you from personal experience that everything you get from that industry has been tested, checked, counter checked, and checked again before it is allowed out into the market place. Nothing they sell can be released to market unless it is approved by a qualified and very experienced individual who is legally responsible for the safety and efficacy of the product they have released. Everything they use as a manufacturing substrate is supplied from a known and trusted source, and is legally listed in the production license application. All operations carried out during manufacture are logged, and all production parameter data is recorded and kept for ten years past the shelf life of the product. Every anomaly that occurs during manufacture, no matter how trivial it may seem, is investigated and the potential impact on product safety assessed and recorded. Key ingredients must come from a regulatory approved source, and cannot be substituted with an alternative (even from another approved source) unless the alternative has been tested to the same rigorous standards and the change is agreed up front by the industry regulators.

In comparison, alternative therapies and diets use ideas and suppositions that are passed on by word of mouth, use untested ingredients, sometimes from extremely dubious sources, and have no basis in scientific methodology. They may be dressed up as pseudoscience for marketing purposes, and to “sell” the latest antivaxer diatribe, but they do not undergo peer review and are not subject to regulatory review. Personally I would not subject myself to such a regime unless I had checked with my GP that it would do no harm. I certainly wouldn’t expect it to do much good, unless it was more by luck than judgement.

Simon, you are passing on very poor information here.

From someone that spent almost my entire working life in the pharmaceutical world, I can tell you from personal experience that everything you get from that industry has been tested, checked, counter checked, and checked again before it is allowed out into the market place. Nothing they sell can be released to market unless it is approved by a qualified and very experienced individual who is legally responsible for the safety and efficacy of the product they have released. Everything they use as a manufacturing substrate is supplied from a known and trusted source, and is legally listed in the production license application. All operations carried out during manufacture are logged, and all production parameter data is recorded and kept for ten years past the shelf life of the product. Every anomaly that occurs during manufacture, no matter how trivial it may seem, is investigated and the potential impact on product safety assessed and recorded. Key ingredients must come from a regulatory approved source, and cannot be substituted with an alternative (even from another approved source) unless the alternative has been tested to the same rigorous standards and the change is agreed up front by the industry regulators.

In comparison, alternative therapies and diets use ideas and suppositions that are passed on by word of mouth, use untested ingredients, sometimes from extremely dubious sources, and have no basis in scientific methodology. They may be dressed up as pseudoscience for marketing purposes, and to “sell” the latest antivaxer diatribe, but they do not undergo peer review and are not subject to regulatory review. Personally I would not subject myself to such a regime unless I had checked with my GP that it would do no harm. I certainly wouldn’t expect it to do much good, unless it was more by luck than judgement.

sorry Tim just sharing a personal experience, there are no other substitute pills or remedies involved just fruit veg and spices.
the information is on the web site backed up by the facts and figures.
simon

[Tim Marlow]

I’ve had a good look at the site Simon, and to say I’m underwhelmed is an understatement. There are very obvious fallacies promoted on his discussion pages that he allows to go unchecked because they support his anti interventionist narrative. A common theme from forum members is that “all drugs” alter your DNA. This is absolutely untrue (except in extremely specific cases) and is usually pushed by those with no understand of what DNA is, what it does, and how it works. To allow these views through unchecked completely undermines any medical credibility he pertains to have.

I really am not trying to have a go at you here Simon. I’m just extremely concerned that the side effects of some of these ideas can potentially mask extremely serious illnesses. Perpetually producing red stools could mask the early signs of colorectal cancer, for example.

You are in the world of the utterly unregulated “dietary health” industry here, so for your own good please treat any unregulated information you get from the internet and associated books with a very healthy dose of scepticism. Try these things by all means, but not to the exclusion of support and advice given by educated and experienced medical professionals.

[stillp]

Not to Brenda - an ex of mine from the distant past!
Steve

Nor to me!
Pete

[Waspie]

My 2 penneth. I think, therefor my opinion. People seek alternatives because if anything like my area, trying to see a proper medical professional regards these issues is nigh on impossible or the hoops you have to jump through make folk give up trying. So what is the alternative? Witch doctors, internet???
The science is fine if you can meet someone professionally qualified, 1 to be interested in your case and 2 Available!!!

[Airborne01]

Nor to me!

Did you 'bump' into Brenda Pete, and if so, where? I'm trying to create a digital footprints of her peregrinations --- quite complex!

Steve

[stillp]

Did you replace the text in the quote with your comment Steve?
Pete

[Airborne01]

Did you replace the text in the quote with your comment Steve?
Pete

Not knowingly or intentionally Pete - if so then my deepest apologies. (And I think that that would require far more ability in tech matters than I'm capable of!)
Steve

[Guest]

As an aside with the change of certain liquid colour.... Had some 'Day Nurse' recently nearly fainted when I looked down and the 'p' was bright orange :flushed:

[stillp]

I take Makupro to slow down macular degeneration. It contains marigold extract, so my 'outflow' is bright yellow!
Pete

[Tim Marlow]

Just to add to the rainbow mine was tinted khaki for a couple of days after my rituximab infusion on Friday…..…..