I got a new airbrush!

[Allen Dewire]

Happy Birthday Steve! I take it the H+S was a pressie to yourself, eh. Glad to see it works well for you. I have an Iwata Eclipse SBS I bought about a year ago and am too scared to use it. Sounds stupid, but I'm afraid I'll break it or not clean it properly or something. I still use my about 30 year old Aztek dual action for my hissy work. Everything is original and I even bought a new spray needle/nozzle for it, but never used it either. The Eclipse will go into action shortly, after I practice a little with it though. I need to spray a 7 color mottled camo on my Halberstadt fuselage and the old Aztek ain't gonna cut it I'm afraid...

Prost
Allen

[Tim Marlow]

Hi Alex, didn’t realise the HP-C + nozzle was that fiddly to assemble.…..seems quite a complex arrangement that’s more attuned to fine art than model making. I assume it gives slightly better alignment so potentially allows a more refined spray pattern.
It’s a truism though, give some blokes a spanner and they will break off a bolt head
I don’t seem to have come across another person using the SBS. I’ve had it for a good ten years I think, and only ever needed to replace one needle due to ham fisted handling. It is very robust, extremely easy to clean, yet capable of very fine work if needed. No idea why it isn’t more popular?
Never tried an H and S brush….maybe one day……sounds good.

[Tim Marlow]

Happy Birthday Steve! I take it the H+S was a pressie to yourself, eh. Glad to see it works well for you. I have an Iwata Eclipse SBS I bought about a year ago and am too scared to use it. Sounds stupid, but I'm afraid I'll break it or not clean it properly or something. I still use my about 30 year old Aztek dual action for my hissy work. Everything is original and I even bought a new spray needle/nozzle for it, but never used it either. The Eclipse will go into action shortly, after I practice a little with it though. I need to spray a 7 color mottled camo on my Halberstadt fuselage and the old Aztek ain't gonna cut it I'm afraid...

Prost
Allen

Turn me into a liar why dont you Allen…..I typed up I didn’t know another SBS owner, and you posted this just as I hit the go button…..

[Tim Marlow]

Happy Birthday Steve! I take it the H+S was a pressie to yourself, eh. Glad to see it works well for you. I have an Iwata Eclipse SBS I bought about a year ago and am too scared to use it. Sounds stupid, but I'm afraid I'll break it or not clean it properly or something. I still use my about 30 year old Aztek dual action for my hissy work. Everything is original and I even bought a new spray needle/nozzle for it, but never used it either. The Eclipse will go into action shortly, after I practice a little with it though. I need to spray a 7 color mottled camo on my Halberstadt fuselage and the old Aztek ain't gonna cut it I'm afraid...

Prost
Allen

It’s a great brush mate. Very easy to use and clean…..did you see my posting of a while back….

https://www.scale-models.co.uk/threads/hot-rod-iwatta-airbrush.37841/

[Allen Dewire]

Sorry Tim, I've never used it though, so you are correct in your post...

[Tim Marlow]

Sorry Tim, I've never used it though, so you are correct in your post...

Don’t beat yourself up mate, I just thought it was really funny….

[Allen Dewire]

I think that post is why I bought mine buddy. Just too scared to use it...

[Tim Marlow]

I think that post is why I bought mine buddy. Just too scared to use it...

Just practice on paper and PM me if you need any tips or pointers…..it really is extremely easy to use. The only thing I’d say is that it needs a little more air pressure than a top feed brush, but not much…….I can’t recommend the replacement tail highly enough either. It really does make cleaning an absolute breeze because it’s so easy to pull the needle.

[Allen Dewire]

I went back, had a read and saw that. I don't think I can get that kit over though. Would you happen to have the kit # or UPC? I can then see if I can find it here. I don't think I could afford it if I ordered it from the insel. Customs and all that rot, you know...

[stona]

Having disassembled and reassembled the brush and done a bit of fun spraying I decided to read the instructions (as you sometimes do).

I was interested in the manufacturer's suggested air pressure. I've always found myself an outlier in the model making community, typically spraying through my Iwatas at about 30-35 psi, which many consider to be very high.

H&S suggest a range of 14.5psi-43.5 psi, with a recommended pressure unsurprisingly in the middle of that range at 29 psi.

Since it works fine at my usual setting I doubt I'll be making any adjustments unless they are dictated by the paint(s).

[Tim Marlow]

Hi Allen.
Seems they can be sourced in Italy, so shouldn’t be too onerous for you….

https://www.aerografando.it/iwata/airbrush-spare-parts/line/triple-action-handle-set-iwata-airbrush-silver-color/p/4468.html?language=en&cPath=50_100_273&osCsid=ksb9vu2u41ii8kv8007utpr954

bit dearer than here, but at least you won’t get hit with custom charges…..
This one appears to be located in Italy as well….

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164252317121

[AlexBB]

seems quite a complex arrangement that’s more attuned to fine art than model making. I assume it gives slightly better alignment so potentially allows a more refined spray pattern.

Hi Tim,
The HP-C+ is a very common brush amongst many modellers, the nozzle arrangement is I would guess more akin to the to the general standard for airbrushes compared to the SBS... Many of the very cheap Chinese designs use a cloned design of the HP-C system.

The SBS is more in design like the H&S or Badger where the nozzle is removable by hand...

I guess it could be argued that the HP-C+ type design can be more accurate as the nozzle should be 'more' concentric to the body of the air brush, however with the highly accurate modern CNC machining processes I think any variance would be unnoticeable to us in general terms.

I have added some images below to show the differences.

The SBS Nozzle arrangement..



The HP-C+ Nozzle arrangement



The H&S Infinity Nozzle arrangement



The Badger Omni series Nozzle arrangement.

[Allen Dewire]

Thanks so much Tim. I'll check for one at the Euro Model Expo I'm going to on the 25th. If I can't find one, then I'll give Aerografando, in Italy a shot and order it...

Sorry to clog up your thread Steve...........

Prost
Allen

[Tim Marlow]

Cheers Alex, good to see them all broken down…..

[stona]

Sorry to clog up your thread Steve...........

Prost
Allen

Absolutely not a problem!

Any discussion and explanation of airbrushes that helps anybody to have a better understanding of, and hopefully better results from, the tool they are wielding is more than welcome. There's enough people reading and taking part to make it worthwhile.

I have that screw in miniature nozzle on my little Iwata (Revolution BR I think) and to say it's a fiddle would be something of an understatement. Iwata supply a little spanner to tighten it up, but that's a dangerous tool. It would be very easy to overtighten the nozzle.