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    State of the industry

    Something has been niggling away at me for sometime.

    Models are getting just too damn expensive!!

    Ok, so you can go on Ebay and get the odd bargain. But as a whole new prices are much the same as your local shop when postage is accounted for.

    I am in my fourties now and can clearly remember buying the Airfix 1/48 Lancaster out of my pocket money as a 10 year old kid.

    I remember it being huge and awesome (it didnt get painted, but i had fun with it all the same. I also remember filling it with bangers the following bonfire night and blowing it to smithereens

    As a whole we complain that kids arent getting into modelling as in the heydays of the 60's and 70's. I feel it partly the manufacturers fault.

    Airfix are about to launch the biggest release of the last 30 years. The all new Mosquito 1/24 scale. It's big, it's been designed usung the latest technology and will apparently be comparable in quality to its asian counterparts.

    However, it is £130.

    I am using this as an example of industry ignorance of what the next generation of potential modellers want and can afford.

    In the face of a massive economic downturn and therefore less disposable income for the majority of us, i find it odd that a company with an incredibly rocky history over the last 20 years, can release a new model aimed at the modelling elite.

    I have kids that i am trying to get into modelling. My son has a choice with his pocket money. Taking the Mozzie as the example. He can save for 14 weeks to buy the mozzie, or in half that time buy three full price Xbox 360 games which cost 50 times the development and production costs of the mozzie.

    Modelling used to be a comparatively cheap hobby. As kids we would build and play with the models we had built. It didnt matter if we broke or blew them up on bonfire night, it was affordable and fun.

    I realise i have picked on an extreme example with the mozzie. So consider this, on average a basic 1/72 model of of decent size and "playabillity" for kids is around the £10-£15 mark plus paints and glue. This is still twice the average weekly pocket money for kids.

    I feel kits are way, way overpriced. Development can cost a lot of money for each new release, i understand this. It is also unwise, in a crowded marketplace, uncertain economic future, and declining, ageing customer base to continue to release new models at inflated prices. The plastic and paperwork cost pennies not pounds at cost.

    Models were also stocking fillers back in the day. My first ever mdoel was a stocking filler. It was put to one side on christmas day, i'd much rather play with my action man tank! but on one bored afternoon a few weeks later i picked it up and built it.

    Thats how it starts, OPPORTUNITY.
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    Isn't it a case of you get what you pay for? I'd agree that some kits are very expensive & while the new Mossie is perhaps not the best example as it's a real investment by Airfix/Hornby to show what they can do, I could mention some other kits that are not great examples of value for money-Airfix's own 1/24 JU-87 that hasn't been updated from the old kit and is £20 more expensive than their other WW2 kits, some of which have been improved over the originals. But going back to my opening point, if you want a really detailed tank kit, then you'll pay £50-odd for something from Dragon or go with one of Tamiyas or Italeri's for alot less. I bet the same applies to cars & planes. I've seen most of the Airfix range of 1/72 tanks & planes on sale for around £5 which I think is quite reasonable in today's market. Any other thoughts out there? Patrick

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    • yak face
      Moderator
      • Jun 2009
      • 13870
      • Tony
      • Sheffield

      #3
      hi terry, i can see your point ,£130 is a big wedge ,most adult modellers would struggle to afford it, nevermind kids on pocket money. But i think there is a little light at the end of the tunnel, some manufacturers have at last realised that youve got to bring in the younger generation to keep the hobby going.Quite a few are now doing starter sets,complete with glue and basic paints at a very reasonable price,plus the easy build kits from hobby boss,and the tanks from italeri ,perfect for instant results at a very affordable £4-£5.All manufacturers were guilty of being complacent and not keeping in touch with youngsters trends , but at least they seem to have recognised their lapse and hopefully its not too little too late. cheers tony

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      • Gern
        • May 2009
        • 9253

        #4
        Hi folks,

        I gotta say I'm really pleased I found this site. The range of topics and help is incredible. Now another one to add.

        Terry, I appreciate your point about the cost of kits - don't I ever! My 'wanted' list is growing faster than ever due to the prices of kits today.

        Just a thought though, there are still lots of smaller, cheaper kits out there.

        When I was a kid, I could buy a Series 1 Airfix kit from my weekly pocket money. I had to save for larger kits and use Birthdays and Xmas to nag the folks for them. It's the same for kids today. I know some folks say the kids don't have any money, but in a lot of cases they do. It's just that they choose to spend it on other things such as the latest 'phone, computer game or designer clothes. These things certainly are not cheap and I'd venture to say that they're likely to be in the same sort of price ranges that kits come in. (The latest player is very expensive but individual games are in the pocket money range for many).

        There is one other point I would like to raise. I honestly think that, in part, we modellers are to blame for the state of the hobby. We all moan about the price of kits; yet we keep demanding more from the manufacturers. We want a wider range of subjects, more accuracy and better quality. All these cost money. Whenever a manufacturer puts out a cheaper model, not quite up to the standards we want, they get slammed by the critics.

        We also tend to pick on the cheaper manufacturers. Especially those who buy up old moulds and 're-pop' older kits. Obviously these have problems due to the wear and tear on the moulds - but most of these relate to flash and mould seams - and don't all modellers have techniques for dealing with these? It's part of almost every build to a greater or lesser extent. But didn't we have to deal with these problems back in the early days? We didn't care as kids if there were a few seams left showing, or the paint wasn't quite dry when we started playing with them. Why should kids today expect their cheap toys to be perfect?

        There was a thread running the other day about the shortage of youngsters in modelling. I think your point about prices is valid, but I don't think it is price alone that's keeping the kids away. I wish I had an answer. If we could get more folks buying, unit costs would come down and make things cheaper for all of us!

        Gern

        PS Talking about cheaper kits. 21st Century Toys put out a small range of apparently perfectly acceptable aircraft in 1/32 which were very cheap. Does anyone know what happened to them?

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        • Guest

          #5
          A good point Tiger but I'd like to see just wat the inflation figures look like if we compare prices when we were kids.

          I used to buy an Airfix series one every week with my pocket money, which was 2/6 at the time and the kit was 2/6. As has been mentioned the bigger stuff went on the Christmas and birthday lists but I couldn't say whether we are now out of proportion or not.

          If pocket money nowadays is around a fiver and a series one kit is around a fiver maybe we are not so far out of sync with where we were. I remember progressing into my early 20's and buying 1/12 Tamiya bikes, which were state of the art at the time and cost about five pounds. They are around 25 pounds now, which to me initially seems very expensive but when you consider the cost of everything else is a five times increase in price over thirty years a lot? I know houses have risen more than that.

          I can't talk from experience having never had to support teenage kids but I do sympathise when I look at the grocery bill for the two of us and wonder what it would be with two teenage mouths to feed as well!!

          The point being made is very similar to an article on the radio this morning where it was mentioned just how much prices vary with one extreem example being an set of hair straighteners being sold in Boots on Oxford Street being about 40 pounds dearer than in another of thier shops eleswhere. My thoughts were though, why complain at Boots, they are simply making the most of the markets, I would blame the idiots who are prepared to pay for the item at such an inflated price.

          Maybe the same applies here and it's something I bang on about over and over again. If no-one bought the Mossie, they would have to reduce the cost so the answer lies with us but unfortunately, recession or not, there remains far too many people in this country with far too much disposable income.

          The number of huge petrol guzzling vehicles abandoned on pavements outside any school at home time clearly shows that!! They all complained about the road tax hikes and the cost of fuel but it hasn't reduced numbers and they all continue to pay out for them. The cost of an Airfix Mossie to them is still about a quarter the cost of thier vehicle road tax, and that's only the wifes car!!!

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          • stona
            • Jul 2008
            • 9889

            #6
            Originally posted by \
            PS Talking about cheaper kits. 21st Century Toys put out a small range of apparently perfectly acceptable aircraft in 1/32 which were very cheap. Does anyone know what happened to them?
            Bad example there Gern, I think they went bust lol.

            I think you do get what you pay for. The 1/24 Mossie or Tamiya's new 1/32 Spit are clearly not intended for novice modellers. As Tony says there are reasonably priced kits out there.

            I think manufacturers do their market research and target the modellers they are after, you lot know who we are and we're not spending pocket money. That is a shame as it does exclude youngsters who might have an interest in the hobby. That being said £130 is a lot of money from anyones wallet. I bet the Mossie sells though.

            One of the ways I justify the money I spend on modelling to SWMBO is by pointing out that there are FAR more expensive things I could be doing. A mate of mine used to race hydrofoils - that's expensive.

            Steve

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            • Gern
              • May 2009
              • 9253

              #7
              Originally posted by \
              Bad example there Gern, I think they went bust lol.I think you do get what you pay for. The 1/24 Mossie or Tamiya's new 1/32 Spit are clearly not intended for novice modellers. As Tony says there are reasonably priced kits out there.

              I think manufacturers do their market research and target the modellers they are after, you lot know who we are and we're not spending pocket money. That is a shame as it does exclude youngsters who might have an interest in the hobby. That being said £130 is a lot of money from anyones wallet. I bet the Mossie sells though.

              One of the ways I justify the money I spend on modelling to SWMBO is by pointing out that there are FAR more expensive things I could be doing. A mate of mine used to race hydrofoils - that's expensive.

              Steve
              Hi Steve,

              Just re-read my post and wish I'd phrased it a bit better! I wasn't trying to use 21st Century Toys as an example, I was just trying to find out what's happened to them!

              It's an interesting thought though. If they've gone bust and were selling the kind of kits at the kind of prices that we all dream about - weren't they less than £5? - why did they go bust? I've heard something about their tie-in with Walmart being one of the reasons but I don't know.

              You've made a good point about the cost of our hobby too. Even if we pay £100 for a good kit; isn't it likely to take us 100 hours or even more to make it? That brings the cost of our entertainment down to £1 per hour. That's even cheaper than the pub - let alone the more exotic hobbies like racing hydrofoils! AND SWMBO knows where we are, what we're doing and, more to the point, who we're doing it with!

              Gern

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