MIG pigments HELP!

[slupanter]

MIG pigments.

I was the MIG thinner as a base then spoon the mid earth and euro dust mixed 1:1 behind the tracks/wheels then drip the MIG thinner over the pigment to seal it, but when it drys it just flakes of even after varnishing. Why I am been a spoon and not doing?

P.S Any guides on weathering that tell you the paint and things to use would be great.

[Guest]

I picked up some Mig pigments on Sunday but I have never used them or had a go yet so I will be interested in the answer to this as well.....

[Guest]

Hi Alexander , the thinners is for cleaning up panel lines etc after using the mig washes , for the mig pigments you need pigment fixer (see photo)

if you mix a small amount of fixer and pigments together then add it to the areas you want , leave it to dry it will end up matt and dusty , job done no need to seal it

Richy

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[Guest]

OK, so what is the alternative as I didn't buy any of this stuff either lol. Can matt varnish (Acrylic) be used or even our good old friend Klear?

[Guest]

To be honest Graham I`ve not got a clue mate if pigments can be mixed with anything else , try it on an old model or a bit of plastic , it depends what finnish you want you can just dry brush it on to give a dusty look or if you want a muddy build up effect try your mixing method or use the mig pigment fixer , where Alexander may have gone wrong is using the thinners , in my short time back mig pigments are great if you want a build up of mud sand or whatever to the underside of trucks, tank tracks etc but if you want just a light weathering you cant beat promodellers wash

Richy

[Guest]

I found this DVD to be a great help.

HISTOREX AGENTS - Product Details

[slupanter]

I'll get some fixer. what im after is thick gathered dirt behind the wheels, in wheel arches, behind tracks and tanks wheels.

[Guest]

I sometimes use mig pigments but i have to say i prefer using artists pastels as they are much cheaper and will certainly last longer, but when i do use the mig pigments i mix it wit some of the mig resin and brush it on, when the resin hardens it all satys where you have brushed it.

scott

[tr1ckey66]

Hi Alexander

This is a Sherman V completed some time back on which I used Mig pigments to simulate thick gathered mud. If this effect is what you're after I can let you know how I did this.



You first need to think where the mud gathers and how dry it will be. I applied my mud in 3 shades - light for the dry mud then a mid tone then the dark wet mud.

1. Mix the light tone first as this will be the first layer. Mix a Mig dust colour pigment, some plaster (for bulk) and some Mig acrylic medium. Remember the plaster will lighten the colour considerably so you'll have to balance this with darker pigment. You need it to have the mixture the consistency of... well, mud! just thin enough so you can roughly paint it on with an old brush.

NB. This process destroys brushes - use an old one!

Paint it liberally where you think the mud will gather then let this dry (remember this stuff dries considerably lighter than when applied.

This is now your base dry mud layer.

2. Now the mid tone. Mix exactly as before but this time using darker pigments - if it's a European setting I try to aim for a mid tone that equates to Mig Pigments European dust.

Apply as before but inside the edge of the dry mud (the mud will be progressively dryer toward the edges). Make the daubs and dabs random and keep in mind where you think the mud should settle.

3. The final wet mud layer is the darkest of all and represents the damp or wet mud. This will be the inner most layer. Apply this and your mud build up should be getting there.

4. You can refine this by applying the pigments dry on top to blend tones in a little. Just try not to obliterate the layers you have.

5. This is a fun bit. Take your dark mix and water it down a little (so its really sloppy) dip a brush into it and blow air through the brush so the spatters hit the tank. Keep the brush close to the tank or it will end up everywhere. If you don't have an airbrush then I guess the same effect could be gained by dipping a toothbrush into it and drawing your thumb over the bristles.

Things to note: White spirit will help pigments flow into corners and crevices to simulate a build up of dust in these places. The acrylic medium is a permanent way of fixing these pigments. For really wet mud add some gloss varnish or our old friend Johnson's Clear.

It does take a bit of practice and quite a bit of nerve to apply this to a vehicle you've spent some time applying subtle paint finishes to, but, as with everything, practice does help.

Hope this helps

Cheers

Paul

[Guest]

If you want to make thick mud try this

Mig Productions Acrylic Resin MIG00032 Netmerchants

Mix it up and cake it on!!

Hope it helps

Regards

David

[slupanter]

Thanks ill drop you all a line when ive tried the fixer

I'll try you tip list paul

[Guest]

I had a little play about with this stuff last night. Is it just me or do you find it gets everywhere? I thought I was being neat but even now, I keep getting the stuff on my hands and I am not using it. A little goes a very long way lol

[tr1ckey66]

Hi Graham

This stuff takes some getting used to. Have plenty of cloths around!!!

Cheers

P

[slupanter]

Getting fixer today. the First MIG pig i used was smoke all over my mum and dads NEW cream carpet.