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  • colin m
    Moderator
    • Dec 2008
    • 8806
    • Colin
    • Stafford, UK

    #16
    Originally posted by Dave Ward
    Ahh PC10 - the arguments I've read over what it actually was!!!!
    All I can say on the subject is from a book, where a dawn patrol of SE5As was described as being 'chocolate brown'. If you can get hold of the book, 'Sagittarius Rising' By Cecil Lewis, it's the autobiography of a WWI RFC pilot - very good read indeed
    Dave
    Thanks for the info Dave. I'll have a look for the book. But, when one colour is identified, another person will come up with the other. Peter Jackson, offers two colours for his model Dolphin, described as PC10 - greenish or PC10 - Brownish. He, not only produces amazing WW1 models, but also flying replicas, so we could assume, as he offers two choices, even he, couldn't find a definitive answer. My own unqualified view is, it was more than one shade. Back in those days, quality control didn't really exist, and it was a protective coating, so something had to be applied, perhaps, just whatever was available at the time. Maybe a limited stock of PC 10 was diluted with something else, just to make it go further and cover more aircraft, hence the variance in shade. Essentially, I guess, we'll never really know.

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    • Dave Ward
      • Apr 2018
      • 10549

      #17
      The quality, stability & consistency of materials must play a huge part, deterioration due to UV light, rain would have meant no two aircraft would have looked alike. If you add to that the effect of the oil used on rotary engines ( a total loss system ) then anyone who can mix the definitive PC10 is deluding themselves!
      Dave

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      • Jim R
        SMF Supporters
        • Apr 2018
        • 15825
        • Jim
        • Shropshire

        #18
        Hi Colin
        All looking very neat and sorted. These WW1 planes certainly are constructed in a different way - all parts completed and then brought together. As for colours - a mine field
        Originally posted by Dave Ward
        anyone who can mix the definitive PC10 is deluding themselves!
        ... that applies to many military colours I think.
        Jim

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        • rtfoe
          • Apr 2018
          • 9128

          #19
          I don't know if dope can be called paint as that was the material they used to coat the fabrique on these planes...or is that a method?

          Cheers,
          Richard

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          • papa 695
            Moderator
            • May 2011
            • 22788

            #20
            That’s looking sweet Colin.

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            • colin m
              Moderator
              • Dec 2008
              • 8806
              • Colin
              • Stafford, UK

              #21
              Originally posted by Dave Ward
              anyone who can mix the definitive PC10 is deluding themselves!
              I totally agree. Which is really good news, because no one can ever be wrong with their choice.
              Originally posted by rtfoe
              I don't know if dope can be called paint as that was the material they used to coat the fabrique on these planes...or is that a method?
              True, all references here to paint, really should be dope. PC10 is dope with pigments added.

              The build moves on, well, a bit anyway.
              This was a real pain. The grey engine cowling was a bit too wide for the fuselage, no problem I though, I'll adjust it later. Totally forgetting that the IP sits snugly inside, meaning I couldn't 'squeeze' it to fit. Out with the needle files and some very careful fettling.
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              Time for wings. Unfortunately, this is all you get to attach the lower wings, which doesn't provide a very positive fit. To complicate things a bit further, the wings do have a slight dihedral.
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              So, the idea. I'll work backwards, or that might be upside down and attach the one piece upper wing first. Upper wing attached, wish me luck.
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              • rtfoe
                • Apr 2018
                • 9128

                #22
                Good recovery of the engine cover Colin. This is starting to look like a cute plane...without the lower wing it can pass off as a Cessna. :smiling2: Very neat build. Like the sponge...my plane builds sit on hard surfaces at the mo.

                Cheers,
                Richard

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                • colin m
                  Moderator
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 8806
                  • Colin
                  • Stafford, UK

                  #23
                  Originally posted by rtfoe
                  .without the lower wing it can pass off as a Cessna
                  I was thinking the same myself. It looks just about ready.

                  Well that wasn't too painful. It is correct. The lower wings are meant to be forward of the upper wings.
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                  Even kept the dihedral. Well, we'll see tomorrow when I remove the supports.
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                  • rtfoe
                    • Apr 2018
                    • 9128

                    #24
                    Colin, there was a Beechcraft biplane that had the same forward lower wing stagger if I'm not mistaken. Now I know there are two of such kind.

                    Cheers,
                    Richard

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                    • Ian M
                      Administrator
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 18272
                      • Ian
                      • Falster, Denmark

                      #25
                      Looking very crisp and tidy. Odd set up with the lower wing forward. As Richard mentioned not often seen.
                      As for the colour of PC10. I think that it looks about as right as we can guess. If only they had colour photographs those days! (but then what would we modellers have to discus).
                      So on to rigging soon then?
                      Group builds

                      Bismarck

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                      • papa 695
                        Moderator
                        • May 2011
                        • 22788

                        #26
                        That looks great Colin, the build and the kit.

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                        • colin m
                          Moderator
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 8806
                          • Colin
                          • Stafford, UK

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Ian M
                          So on to rigging soon then?
                          Indeed. All rigging done. Fishing line has been used for the rigging, while some really fine elastic has been used for the control wires. Some wires need a bit of adjustment but that will have to wait until the Dolphin is sat in its wheels, all at rest in its natural state - these wings are a bit flexible.
                          The under carriage has been fitted with good old fashioned poly cement, the stuff that gives you loads of time to adjust and align. The Dolphin will sit like this tonight as the glue slowly sets.
                          CA was used to secure the rigging, but this has reacted with the paint in some places, but not others ? odd that. Not to worry, a post rigging touch up session shouldn't pose too much difficulty.
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                          • rtfoe
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 9128

                            #28
                            Colin, nicely done with strings attached.

                            Cheers,
                            Richard

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                            • papa 695
                              Moderator
                              • May 2011
                              • 22788

                              #29
                              Very nice rigging work Colin.

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                              • yak face
                                Moderator
                                • Jun 2009
                                • 13875
                                • Tony
                                • Sheffield

                                #30
                                Apologies colin , ive been out of the loop for a good while so ove missed the ongoing build . Just caught up now and its looking exceptional mate . Youre a master of rigging and its one thing that really brings a model like this to life . As for the colours theyre perfect to me , its impossible to say what particular shade of pc10 any aircraft may have been without a colour photo reference , even then all sorts of factors could change the appearance , people might as well argue about what colour dinosaurs were ! end of the day theres no wrong , just what looks right to the individual , and i like the look of yours :thumb2:
                                Nearly there now , keep at it , cheers tony

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