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    #16
    Originally posted by Jens Andrée
    Is this really such a big problem in today's world of cheap postage from pretty much everywhere in the world?
    Ok, I try to buy everything locally to support the local business - even if it costs a bit more, but when something isn't available locally I just order from wherever it's available, and at a reasonable cost.

    All the paint products I've now bought for my scale model adventure has had added stickers with native warning texts on them in order to be compliant, but every country has its laws and some chemicals will always be forbidden, and that's where the real problem starts.

    I have a great number of hobbies and some of them require chemicals. Various acids and hydrogen peroxide. (acids for etching metals and hydrogen peroxide to bleach bones)
    This didn't used to be a problem at all - just buy them over the counter at your local paint shop.
    Increased terrorism and braindead politicians made things really hard for us who need these things and Sweden has turned into the country who's banned the most chemicals the last 20 years or so... sigh.
    You can still buy these chemicals in "industrial" quantities/sizes/volumes so instead of buying a 1 litre bottle of acid, or a small bag of something - you now have to buy 250 kg or a 25 litres!!! Talk about barking up the wrong tree because someone with sinister motives wouldn't buy a 1 litre bottle - he would buy a couple of 25 litre ones, and so has these bans only created problems for those who need it whilst not stopping it for those who shouldn't have access to it...

    Sorry about the OT rant but I've hit so many dead ends the last 10 years when trying to buy something that's run out and I've been told it's no longer available. Now I just order these banned things from the net and have them shipped in anonymous - but otherwise safe and correct - packages in order to keep uncle customs from opening them.

    If there are things you can't get hold of then list those things here and I'll see if they are available where I live? If so it's a simple task to send them.
    How is that? If you got 250 kg of hydrogen peroxide in Australia, u literally would have the SAS knocking (exploding with charges) ur front door!
    Cheers, John

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    • stona
      • Jul 2008
      • 9889

      #17
      we still have bottles of bleach labelled "DO NOT DRINK". Let's take that off for a year or two and then start selling Tamiya products with original labels. Should be fine

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      • john i am
        SMF Supporters
        • Apr 2012
        • 4019

        #18
        Originally posted by stillp
        I just Googled "panel line accent colour" and the first results were Tamiya brown, black and grey.

        Pete[/QUOTE Great! What was the name of the UK supplier? I'll order some

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        • Gern
          • May 2009
          • 9245

          #19
          Originally posted by Jens Andrée
          Is this really such a big problem in today's world of cheap postage from pretty much everywhere in the world?
          Have you tried to buy anything from the USA Jens? I asked for a quote for a set of decals which would fit into a standard envelope. They wanted over £20 for postage to the UK! That's nearly ten times what it would cost for me to send the same item to the USA from the UK.

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          • jameshoughton1997!!!!
            • Oct 2015
            • 136

            #20
            Biying from the usa os a big no no just cost far to mich postage makes it pointless

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            • Adrian "Marvel" Reynolds
              • Apr 2012
              • 3008

              #21
              Originally posted by jameshoughton1997!!!!
              Biying from the usa os a big no no just cost far to mich postage makes it pointless
              I just wait till I go over or my friend does and bring back all I need then

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              • stillp
                • Nov 2016
                • 8102
                • Pete
                • Rugby

                #22
                Does this work?


                Pete

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                • john i am
                  SMF Supporters
                  • Apr 2012
                  • 4019

                  #23
                  Sadly no Pete as there is no stock in the U.K. Temporarily unavailable everywhere I've looked. Although it can be imported at a high expense if your prepared to wait a while. And although I'd like some I'm not paying extortionate prices and import fees. So I go without for now until.

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                  • stillp
                    • Nov 2016
                    • 8102
                    • Pete
                    • Rugby

                    #24
                    Ah, sorry. I checked a few of the sites yesterday and they claimed to have UK stock, but not today it seems.

                    Pete

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                    • stillp
                      • Nov 2016
                      • 8102
                      • Pete
                      • Rugby

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Ade Close Enough
                      I just wait till I go over or my friend does and bring back all I need then
                      Fetch more than you need, you could make a killing on ebay!

                      Pete

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                      • Adrian "Marvel" Reynolds
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 3008

                        #26
                        Originally posted by stillp
                        Fetch more than you need, you could make a killing on ebay!

                        Pete
                        I always bring or ask for more than I need

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Gern
                          Have you tried to buy anything from the USA Jens? I asked for a quote for a set of decals which would fit into a standard envelope. They wanted over £20 for postage to the UK! That's nearly ten times what it would cost for me to send the same item to the USA from the UK.
                          Yes. I used to buy a lot of stuff from the states before they added their stupid export tax... Before this the cheap dollar still made it a lot cheaper, but today no.
                          Also the Swedish customs opens 100% of all packages from the states and slap you with a "handling fee" of £25 + whatever tax the can squeeze out of you that made the thing cheaper in the first place.
                          I no longer order anything from the states - not even if it was free because of our customs...

                          Luckily they aren't treating packages from Asia the same way yet so I'm still happily ordering all sorts of things I can't get locally, or things that have been marked up too much by greedy retailers.

                          There are talks of shipping is going to start to cost a bit more from China but we'll see. Today you can get things delivered from mainland China for peanuts, as long as you're prepared to wait a couple of weeks.

                          Within Europe there's still a lot to order but postage can be a bit steep. I remember when I used to live in England and I noticed that it was cheaper to send a package from UK to Sweden than it was to send your neighbour (in Sweden) a simple letter!
                          Never order from Italy. At least 30% of the mail goes missing there - and that's according to themselves...

                          When I order from abroad I try to only order from reputable stores/retailers. Have worked great so far because they have to stay in business and it'll cost them too much to shaft anybody. I always send a thank you letter after the goods have arrived if it was speedy and well packaged and the next order you know they'll take care of you!

                          Sadly it will become harder, and more expensive, in the future to buy things abroad. Customs, tax, security and whatever bullcrap reasons they can come up with will be the reason for this...

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                          • jameshoughton1997!!!!
                            • Oct 2015
                            • 136

                            #28
                            The one thing that dose surprise me is that asia is largely ignored by customs from many countries around the world but youd think that they would crack down on asian imporrs as many of us do import things we shouldent do into our countries lots of counterfits come from there could be dangerous we simply dont no sometimes

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                            • Guest

                              #29
                              It's rather foolish to say that Asian countries are ignored by customs in any country. Every country has its own set of tariffs, according to their own economic & political reasons.

                              The reason a country like China has such a huge trade surplus with the rest of the world is that we in the West have given them preferential trade agreements. By allowing Chinese products to come into our countries cheaply, we have hoped the Chinese would reciprocate & allow us access to their vast domestic market.

                              That this hasn't actually happened is a political matter.

                              As for the rest, it all comes down to the basic laws of supply & demand. Over the past years, Tamiya have faced huge competition from new rival manufacturers; Vallejo, Revell, Lifecolor, Mr Hobby to name but a few. Add that to increasing shipping costs & the supply goes down, along with the demand and prices inevitably go up.
                              The rise of nontoxic acrylic paints have really pushed the use of lacquer thinners into the wilderness - hence why buying Tamiya Lacquer thinners is nigh on impossible these days.

                              Secondly, shipping by air has become prohibitively expensive in the last 10 years. So everything comes by sea. The minimum amount of cargo on a ship is one cubic metre. That's 1,000,000 cubic centimetres! Imagine how many 10ml pots of Tamiya paint you can fit into that space

                              So when we order directly from Japan or another Asian country, it takes a while because the exporter has to have enough orders to fill a full cubic metre.

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                              • jameshoughton1997!!!!
                                • Oct 2015
                                • 136

                                #30
                                Also means customs simply cant be botherd to cheack a whole container of tamiya paints

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