Needle Size?.

[Guest]

Sorry Laurie, I used Revell Aqua Colour paint, & Revell Aqua Color Mix Thinners. With 2 drops of Vallejo flow improver. .
John.

As long as it works John and what ever you get on with. That is the main criteria. If by chance you do use Vallejo Model Air you do not need thinners with the Flow Improver. Revell is thicker than the V.Model Air.


Laurie

[Guest]

I knew there was a reason why I decided on a paint brush against an airbrush.

[Guest]

I knew there was a reason why I decided on a paint brush against an airbrush.

Keith once you start airbrushing producing good finishes you will toss the hand brush out of the window. With an airbrush you can produce finishes and weathering shading which cannot be achieved.


Just take a look at this one posted today. http://www.scale-models.co.uk/thread...2/#post-266198. No chance with hand brushing.


Laurie

[Guest]

Yes, I can see why you like the ab but my goodness it sounds so complicated. Air pressure, needle size, trigger pressure, retarders, flow improvers, then you need a spray booth, extractor fan, face masks etc. All I need is a brush. The models that require fancy blending in the paintwork I will handle by not buying them.

[stona]

Yes, I can see why you like the ab but my goodness it sounds so complicated. Air pressure, needle size, trigger pressure, retarders, flow improvers, then you need a spray booth, extractor fan, face masks etc. All I need is a brush. The models that require fancy blending in the paintwork I will handle by not buying them.

All I use is paint and thinners.


Air pressure never changes (the gauge veers around the 35-40 psi range), whichever airbrush I'm using and whatever I'm spraying


Cheers


Steve

[Guest]

Keith once you start airbrushing producing good finishes you will toss the hand brush out of the window. With an airbrush you can produce finishes and weathering shading which cannot be achieved.
Just take a look at this one posted today. http://www.scale-models.co.uk/thread...2/#post-266198. No chance with hand brushing.


Laurie

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This man would beg to differ.

[Guest]

It also says that they're excellent for brush painting - 1000s of modellers would beg to disagree!

I am part of that 1000...


John

[Guest]

As long as it works John and what ever you get on with. That is the main criteria. If by chance you do use Vallejo Model Air you do not need thinners with the Flow Improver. Revell is thicker than the V.Model Air.
Laurie

I find it amusing how Vallejo say that their Modelair range can go straight into the airbrush... Not really. It still has to be thinned. However, this is a good thing, as you get more out of the bottle.


John

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This man would beg to differ.

Is this man you John or the one in the picture or both. The picture being the picture of the man painting not the young ladies picture.


Of further interest is that originally a photograph he is working on. I just cannot work that out.


Also the stick is he using that as a rest rather like an old type signwriter. I use similar things, when using brushes, to steady my hand. Fortunately that even at my advanced age the hand is steady but a stick or something to rest the arm makes a lot of difference. Even small items i rest against something to give a rock baase.


Laurie

[dave]

I find it amusing how Vallejo say that their Modelair range can go straight into the airbrush... Not really. It still has to be thinned. However, this is a good thing, as you get more out of the bottle.
John

I use a 0.35mm needle and have no problem spraying Modelair direct from the bottle, I normally spray around 20-25psi and very rarely have an issue with tip drying.

[Guest]

Is this man you John or the one in the picture or both. The picture being the picture of the man painting not the young ladies picture.
Of further interest is that originally a photograph he is working on. I just cannot work that out.


Also the stick is he using that as a rest rather like an old type signwriter. I use similar things, when using brushes, to steady my hand. Fortunately that even at my advanced age the hand is steady but a stick or something to rest the arm makes a lot of difference. Even small items i rest against something to give a rock baase.


Laurie

Not me, just a photorealist artist painting onto canvas with brushes! The stick you allude to is called a Mahl stick,


There is a traditional one in the right hand edge of this picture, with a chamois leather padded end. If you google photorealistic, you'll find plenty of images that will challenge your credulity. Agreed, some will employ an airbrush, but the point I was making here, is that many, if not most, use solely brushes, and achieve breathtakingly photographic style images. Mostly oils though, where slow drying becomes a real advantage!

[Guest]

I find it amusing how Vallejo say that their Modelair range can go straight into the airbrush... Not really. It still has to be thinned. However, this is a good thing, as you get more out of the bottle.
John

Correct John but ! But they do not say you cannot thin.They do give optimum needle size and say that many model makers will thin their Model Air. Providing they use Vallejo thinners which will dilute but not lose the inherent properties (water will) of the original paint


But the main property of Model Air is that the pigments are ground finer to ensure as best possible the use of their paint in airbrushes. Using a .35 Iwata Model Air will airbrush all day un-thinned. But for a first mist coats fine thin. Also the best finishes are to apply two coats thinned rather than one un-thinned as the surface will be smoother. It will also cure quicker. Thin coats also allow you to get into awkward places without applying to much paint to the surrounding areas.


Laurie

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you'll find plenty of images that will challenge your credulity.

Photorealist. Interesting and incredible John but I would ask why. This seems to be an exacting technical thing almost without an artistic freedom. Not saying that the people who do this are not artists but that they are in straight jackets.


I would have put it in a commercial art locker. Add that commercial art is incredible which we live with day and night. Actually when thinking about it a lot of the work on model making is a commercial art.


I do expect to be corrected here. But all good learning is preceded by a question.


Laurie

[john i am]

There are some people born with god given talents for the rest of us mortals like myself there's the airbrush.Staying on topic of the thread I spray vallejo model air through my iwata 0.2 tr0 and 0.5 tr2 airbrushes without thinning with anything.Its really down to the individual whichever method they use and feel comfortable with.

[Guest]

There are some people born with god given talents for the rest of us mortals like myself there's the airbrush.Staying on topic of the thread I spray vallejo model air through my iwata 0.2 tr0 and 0.5 tr2 airbrushes without thinning with anything.Its really down to the individual whichever method they use and feel comfortable with.

Hi John, I agree with what your saying...at the end of the day go with whatever works for you .