discussion Ammo paint

[Guest]

Hi everyone,


I'm very much a noob with only a couple of AFVs under my belt. I did some research before I started and chose to use Mr Hobby (Gunze) paints and they are very good paints indeed. On my newest model I've used a couple of Ammo paints on small seperate parts like tools and have loved them. They airbrush superb and although I only hand paint the small stuff they handle that well too, better than Mr Hobby. So as my paint collection is only small I've decided to only buy Ammo from now on.


But there's a problem. If a paint call out asks for say Tamiya XF-64 red brown it's easy to find a Mr Hobby, or other, equivalent. Not so easy with Ammo with different type codes like FS... etc instead of distinct colour names. Does anyone know of a conversion chart that has Ammo paints on it? Or another easy way to find equivalent colours?


Also Mr Hobby are more of a lacquer kind of acrylic, are they compatible with Ammo? If I paint one over the other will there be a reaction? Can you mix them together?


Sorry for all the noob questions but, well, I'm a noob.


Cheers.

 

[Guest]

Hi everyone,


I'm very much a noob with only a couple of AFVs under my belt. I did some research before I started and chose to use Mr Hobby (Gunze) paints and they are very good paints indeed. On my newest model I've used a couple of Ammo paints on small seperate parts like tools and have loved them. They airbrush superb and although I only hand paint the small stuff they handle that well too, better than Mr Hobby. So as my paint collection is only small I've decided to only buy Ammo from now on.


But there's a problem. If a paint call out asks for say Tamiya XF-64 red brown it's easy to find a Mr Hobby, or other, equivalent. Not so easy with Ammo with different type codes like FS... etc instead of distinct colour names. Does anyone know of a conversion chart that has Ammo paints on it? Or another easy way to find equivalent colours?


Also Mr Hobby are more of a lacquer kind of acrylic, are they compatible with Ammo? If I paint one over the other will there be a reaction? Can you mix them together?


Sorry for all the noob questions but, well, I'm a noob.


Cheers.

there are currently no conversion charts for Ammo to Mr hobby as ammo is a new paint brand. However, if I were you, I would get both paint ranges once you save up enough. I only use the Mr Hobby Acqueous and the Mr Color lacquer hybrid paints. Excellent stuff, you can't go wrong with them. The one thing you risk with Ammo is paint matches. Often, their paint matches can be quite questionable. Mr hobby is famed for their colour accuraccy, but takes some getting used to for their thinning. There are no reactions between Mr colour or Acqueous, so my best bet is that Ammo won't react either. However, beware of enamels and acrylics. They will RUIN your model

 

[Guest]

John, the FS means Federal Standard which is the American classification for colours. But you can ignore that completely because Ammo uses the proper RAL numbers. So if a colour call out says XF 64 red brown, that means Rotbraun RAL 8012. A quick look through the Scale Model Shop on here will find you that particular colour, along with all other German AFV colours. If you're really sold on the Ammo paints, my advice is buy the sets that correspond with the vehicles that you're building. The set A.MIG-7148 is perfect for pre 1944 German stuff.


Don't mix acrylics & enamels together in the same pot, it's a recipe for disaster! Likewise, avoid direct mixing of synthetic acrylics like Mr Hobby Aqueous or Tamiya with water based ones like Vallejo. Both of the former are alcohol based & will give a unfortunate reaction if mixed with the latter.


You can paint over any type of paint with another provided the original coat is fully cured - not just dry. I've sprayed all kinds of paint types over one another without any problems. Just leave 48 hours between coats if changing from acrylics to enamels or vice versa.


Hope this helps


Patrick

 

[Guest]

Thanks guys, that has certainly answered a few of my questions.


ive recently read and learnt a lot from different forums and all have have something to offer. However, to keep track of things and learn and offer that which is relevant, I think you (well me anyway) can only really join and become one of them. From the answers I've been given it looks like I've joined the right one,


cheers

 

[Guest]

As you can tell I don't know much about the chemistry etc of paint, but I am learning hehe


but while we're on the subject I've read that Tamiya X-20A thinner works well with Ammo paint (if you need one) but can I use Tamiya retarder with them? I'm thinking about brush painting here. I know AK do a retarder which would very probably work but I already have the Tamiya one.


thanks.

 

[Guest]

As you can tell I don't know much about the chemistry etc of paint, but I am learning hehe


but while we're on the subject I've read that Tamiya X-20A thinner works well with Ammo paint (if you need one) but can I use Tamiya retarder with them? I'm thinking about brush painting here. I know AK do a retarder which would very probably work but I already have the Tamiya one.


thanks.

normally brush painting does not mix well with tamiya or ammo paints. Ballejo model colour is the best paint for brush painting.


Tamiya, Mr hobby ak and ammo paints are absolutely awful to brush paint (the acrylic ranges). They are only good for airbrushing

 

[Guest]

Yes it is awful, that's the reason for the retarder. It works well for making Tamiya and Mr Hobby very brushable, that's why I wanted to know if Tamiya's retarder would work with Ammo as I already have the Tamiya retarder.

 

[Guest]

Yes it is awful, that's the reason for the retarder. It works well for making Tamiya and Mr Hobby very brushable, that's why I wanted to know if Tamiya's retarder would work with Ammo as I already have the Tamiya retarder.

If ammo is alchohol based, theoretically it should work

 

[Guest]

No mate Ammo is a water based acrylic.

 

[Guest]

No mate Ammo is a water based acrylic.

Actually, although Ammo paints are water soluble, they're very similar to Tamiya acrylics & Mr Hobby Aqueous in that they're base is an alcohol derivative.


Like Tamiya & Mr Hobby, they can be thinned with cellulose thinner. Something you couldn't do with Vallejo.

 

[Guest]

Actually, although Ammo paints are water soluble, they're very similar to Tamiya acrylics & Mr Hobby Aqueous in that they're base is an alcohol derivative.


Like Tamiya & Mr Hobby, they can be thinned with cellulose thinner. Something you couldn't do with Vallejo.

That I didn't know, from what I'd read I thought they were totally different to Tamiya and Mr Hobby, therefore do you think Tamiya retarder would work with Ammo?

 

[Guest]

That I didn't know, from what I'd read I thought they were totally different to Tamiya and Mr Hobby, therefore do you think Tamiya retarder would work with Ammo?

I thought the same until I tried thinning it with cellulose thinner! Mind you, it's poor brush painting characteristics gave me a clue - it's very similar to Tamiya acrylics in that respect.


If you've got some Tamiya retarder, why not give it a try? After all, most techniques we use come from someone trying new things

 

[John]

Ammo are working on a conversion chart, they are looking at September before something is available 

 

[Guest]

Cheers for that John

 

[Guest]

Ammo are working on a conversion chart, they are looking at September before something is available 

Just out of interest do you know if any kit manufacturers have Ammo paint call outs?

 

[Guest]

Just out of interest do you know if any kit manufacturers have Ammo paint call outs?

not at the moment, no. They are too new a paint manufacturer. 


That is why, if you are a newbie, it would be better to go with one of the major paint brands, such as Mr Hobby, which you can find mostly everywhere. Tamiya is simply a mess to convert, and in my opinion, a pain. Mr Hobby have the most accurate paint matches around anyway.

 

[John]

Just out of interest do you know if any kit manufacturers have Ammo paint call outs?

I've just emailed Ammo and they said


In fact Takom kits include our Paint instructions in exclusive since more than 2 years ago We also collaborate with:


-Mirror models


-tiger models


-Ryefield models


-Great Wall Hobbies


-Model collect


-Kinetic


-Miniart


Some of those brands only include our instructions since 6 months ago.


Others since 1-2 years ago.


[SIZE=11pt]And soon we will collaborate with AFV Club. Tasca/Azuka is also on our list[/SIZE]

 

[Guest]

I thought the same until I tried thinning it with cellulose thinner! Mind you, it's poor brush painting characteristics gave me a clue - it's very similar to Tamiya acrylics in that respect.


If you've got some Tamiya retarder, why not give it a try? After all, most techniques we use come from someone trying new things

I tried it on Saturday and the Tamiya retarder worked fine. In the airbrush the paint took a couple of hours to dry and I had no cases of dry tip. I only did some small brush painting but I got great coverage and 'roll up'.


John thanks for taking the time to do that, it will come in handy. I also emailed the free app IModelKit and got a message back from Pierre-Alain Réveillon who told me that there's a new version 2 of the app that should be out at the end of July and that it will contain the paint ranges from Ammo and AK-Interactive. I don't know if you use this app at all but it can be used as a paint conversion chart and has a load of different manufacturers.

 

[Guest]

I tried to edit and couldn't, anyway above should read "no 'roll up'".