discussion Need a little help

[Guest]

I have decided to build my Revell Westland Wessex Has 3 1/48 scale, but need a little help. I have converted the revell colours out to Vallejo and most of them look right, But im stuck on the interior Revell are sugesting what looks to be BS381 283 - RAF Interior Green / Aircraft grey green as the interior colour but yet my reference shots appear to be Grey. trying to find out the BS No for the orginal Pre Falklands Yellow and Blue scheme. i have been thinking about getting the Xtradecal set as i know it has the BS no. on it.

What are peoples thoughts and sugestions.

Thanks

Matt

 

[Alan 45]

I've actually had a look in a Wessex although I'm unsure what type it was and all I can say is it was dark green inside if that's any help

 

[Guest]

From what I remember of 18 Sqn Wessex (although HC2's) they were a sort of dark green/grey with the quilted padded bits in a greyish/dirty stained colour. I would think that the colours would stay the same for HC3's. I flew as a passenger in one of these from Gutersloh to Copenhagen and back in the late 70's. It was horrible, I had my head in a bucket for most of the journey. If I could have got away with it I would have walked back.

 

[Guest]

Matt if you have just started airbrushing I would seriously recommend that you go for Vallejo Model Air. It has been designed to be an airbrush paint. Depending on the airbrush you have & the needle size you may need to thin this paint using Vallejo thinner. Vallejo I have found to be the easiest paint type to use.

Colours. For the interior of my Wessex I used interior green. Should not get to much hung up on that one as the amount you will see even with the big sliding door open is virtually nil.

Blue & the Yellow. Yellow Vallejo Model Air 71002 Yellow. Blue Vallejo Model Air 71113US Intermediate Blue.

Laurie

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[eddiesolo]

Matt if you have just started airbrushing I would seriously recommend that you go for Vallejo Model Air. It has been designed to be an airbrush paint. Depending on the airbrush you have & the needle size you may need to thin this paint using Vallejo thinner. Vallejo I have found to be the easiest paint type to use.Colours. For the interior of my Wessex I used interior green. Should not get to much hung up on that one as the amount you will see even with the big sliding door open is virtually nil.

Blue & the Yellow. Yellow Vallejo Model Air 71002 Yellow. Blue Vallejo Model Air 71113US Intermediate Blue.

Laurie

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Not wanting to detract from Matt's thread but just have to say, what gorgeous looking model Laurie.

Si

 

[Guest]

Apologies Matt . Forgot to put which interior Green. Vallejo Model Air 71010 Interior Green. I use this for most interiors as it looks the part & I bet no one would notice any difference from any other khaki type green.

Laurie

PS thanks Si.

 

[Guest]

Thanks Laurie, i am new to airbrushing, but not new to spray painting. i have a Iwata Revolution Br with a .3 needle and my air compresser is a sparmax silent compresser with a 5.5ltr tank. My local hobby shop has the full Vallejo range, i have the full game colour line and am now building model colour and model air as i need them. For the out side of this Monster im thinking 71005 Intermediate Blue ( RAL 5008 converts to BS 381C 633 RAF Blue/Grey) and 71078 Golden Yellow ( RLM 4 converts to BS 381C 356 Rescue / Golden Yellow). As mentioned above Revell apear to be trying to get BS 381c 283 RAF Interior Green, The Closest i can come is Model Colour 70.987# 111 Medium Gray with no conversion to Model Air, Next closest i can find is Federal standard 14159 this has no conversion to Model Colour or Model Air. prob being 70.987#111 looks more like beige or a dirty sand colour and im not sure its right

Matt

 

[Guest]

Looks like it could be a good build. Looking forward to seeing it progress.

 

[Guest]

I used to get myself tied in knots on these colours Matt. You can bet Revell & Airfix go for the nearest colour in their inventory of Revell & Humbrol Colours. So the colours shown on the packets are probably not right.

Sometimes to get a clue, using a colour recommended by the Manufacturer of the model but not liking the paint for airbrushing, I get a Humbrol or Revell pot & match up with Vallejo Model Air.

If you do use Vallejo Model you need to really thin as it is produced for hand brushing work. The pigments are not so finely ground as Model Air pigments.

Just a bit of advice do not take for gospel the colour on your monitor or a picture printed form the Internet. Unless you have had your monitor & printer calibrated by a pro. you can be sure it is not the correct colour. Also any download photo may also not represent the correct colour.

Laurie

 

[Guest]

Yup Fully aware or profiling, Been doing conversions in hex codes so i dont need to worry about monitor or printer calibration. Xtra decal do a kit for the Wessex Has 3 and you can just make out on the pictures the clour names used for the out side, so i simply looked them up against british standards and from there started moving in the right direction. It is a pain that there are so many Colour Schemes, but with a little research and checking colours in the shop i think i have gotten dam close to my ref pics and the box art. im generally pretty please its just that interior colour that is giving me greif. Would be nice if model makers would include the colour standard they work too and the colour standard the original machine was Painted in. When doing my conversion i always come up to a Colour Standard rather than trying to match revell to vallejo, as you said it will always be the manufactures closest match to the Colour Standard. It does not mean that i have not converted the revell direct to vallejo ( need colour refrence). im popping out in a min, but when i get back i will post up my conversion chart so you can have a ganders.

Matt

 

[Guest]

I have spoken to an aviation musiem, they have confirmed that the inside is painted to Raf interior green. Which is a green grey colour, the pics I have are closer to the blue on Lauries model, shall I go authentic or stick to the reference shots

Matt



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[Guest]

Matt at the time I built mine I had looked at many pictures & they all looked different. Problem with pictures it depends on so many factors to get two matching of the same is impossible. Also look at two of the same one new one 2 years old & the blue is different. So really what is authenticity.

I went with my colour as it looked authentic also it looks nice for the scale & also nice on my shelf looking at me at the moment.

Talking of authenticity Ian (M) broke the news to me when building mine that the front landing pods are the original USA Sikorsky. They had 3 legs to each pod. The Westland version jut two. Revell obviously could not be bothered to change when they marketed the basic Sikorsky as a Westland type.

Written this before but worth a repeat. One Wessex coming into land & the landing gear crumpled as he was touching down at the Helicopter's base. The pilot pulled up with out hesitation & hovered letting down the passengers. The ground crew rushed out with a new pod. The pilot hovered while the ground crew fitted a new pod all in 20 mins. Like to have been there.

Laurie