Tiger info,Please
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In the battle for Berlin, a dozen King Tiger Tanks of the SS Panzer Battalion 503 were sent to help in the defense of the city. One of them knocked out over 100 Russian tanks including Joseph Stalin models and another one over 60
Six King Tigers from sSSPzAbt 503 attached to 11th Waffen SS Panzergrenadier "Nordland" took part in the defense of Berlin.
One was just outside Berlin late April, knocking out some 100 Russian tanks.
SS-Hauptscharführer Karl Körner
At Gdansk late February 1945, one King Tiger destroyed 65 tanks and 44 artillery guns.
SS-Untersturmführer Karl Brommann
Read about it here:
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/gen10.htm
Pete.
Six King Tigers from sSSPzAbt 503 attached to 11th Waffen SS Panzergrenadier "Nordland" took part in the defense of Berlin.
One was just outside Berlin late April, knocking out some 100 Russian tanks.
SS-Hauptscharführer Karl Körner
At Gdansk late February 1945, one King Tiger destroyed 65 tanks and 44 artillery guns.
SS-Untersturmführer Karl Brommann
Read about it here:
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/gen10.htm
Pete.
I hope you don’t mind Monica but I have done a little research on this question as I was intrigued with the answer.
I have steered clear of the Tiger II’s and concentrated on the Tiger I's. It seems the last issued Tiger I’s, (5 in total) were integrated into Panzer Abteilung Kummersdorf on 23 February 1945. The last 13 Tiger I’s came off the production line in August 1944. I assume these five were held back by Hitler until February??
On the 5th March the remaining Tiger I’s were integrated into the Panzer Regiment 29 which was part of the Panzer Division Müncheberg. On 15 March the Muncheberg division reported they have 6 Tiger I's so they gained another one from somewhere. Muncheberg's armoured strength on April 13, 1945 was two Tiger I’s (Tony LeTissier's "Zhukov at the Oder"). The Muncheberg division was pushed back into Berlin during April. On 30 April, Hitler committed suicide. The Müncheberg, by 1 May had been pushed back to the Tiergarten and was fighting to defend the Zoo Flak Tower. The Müncheberg's last operating panzer, a Tiger 1, was abandoned on the Unter den Linden straße a hundred metres from the Brandenburg Gate.
So the answer to your question is the Tiger I’s in Berlin were the late version.
I have steered clear of the Tiger II’s and concentrated on the Tiger I's. It seems the last issued Tiger I’s, (5 in total) were integrated into Panzer Abteilung Kummersdorf on 23 February 1945. The last 13 Tiger I’s came off the production line in August 1944. I assume these five were held back by Hitler until February??
On the 5th March the remaining Tiger I’s were integrated into the Panzer Regiment 29 which was part of the Panzer Division Müncheberg. On 15 March the Muncheberg division reported they have 6 Tiger I's so they gained another one from somewhere. Muncheberg's armoured strength on April 13, 1945 was two Tiger I’s (Tony LeTissier's "Zhukov at the Oder"). The Muncheberg division was pushed back into Berlin during April. On 30 April, Hitler committed suicide. The Müncheberg, by 1 May had been pushed back to the Tiergarten and was fighting to defend the Zoo Flak Tower. The Müncheberg's last operating panzer, a Tiger 1, was abandoned on the Unter den Linden straße a hundred metres from the Brandenburg Gate.
So the answer to your question is the Tiger I’s in Berlin were the late version.
great guys thank you all so much for all your help,
trying to find as well,
I do have this one,
but no so sure , I can use her,?
this is a pc,I found of the one you did mention,Steve,but i just cannot see what number she was,also do have some other pics,
trying to find as well,
I do have this one,
but no so sure , I can use her,?
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Monica,
The Tigger in the top picture probably never saw action, see link:-
https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/...i/german-and-axis-armor/119061-the-last-tiger
Read the whole blog/comments though and you can draw your own conclusion.
Paul.
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The Tigger in the top picture probably never saw action, see link:-
https://forums.armchairgeneral.com/...i/german-and-axis-armor/119061-the-last-tiger
Read the whole blog/comments though and you can draw your own conclusion.
Paul.
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View attachment 327384Various sites state the Tiger abandoned near the Brandenburg Gate was 323.
Turret numbers in red with white border.
There's a painting by David Pentland showing this Tiger but no idea how accurate it is.
Jon.
Turret numbers in red with white border.
There's a painting by David Pentland showing this Tiger but no idea how accurate it is.
Jon.
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Hi Monica,
Both Jean Restayn Tiger 1 in action and Waldemar Trojca Technical and Operatinal History Tiger 1942-1945 volume 3 show Tiger 1's belonging to Panzer Abteiung Munchenberg in Berlin with early/mid suspension, no mine launchers, no Feifel air cleaners, now the conundrum is which mantet they had ? along with which roof did they have ? Neither of which I woud like to guess. I would suggest that you google Tiger 1 Info and email David Byrden who is far more knowledgeable than me.
regards Jim
Both Jean Restayn Tiger 1 in action and Waldemar Trojca Technical and Operatinal History Tiger 1942-1945 volume 3 show Tiger 1's belonging to Panzer Abteiung Munchenberg in Berlin with early/mid suspension, no mine launchers, no Feifel air cleaners, now the conundrum is which mantet they had ? along with which roof did they have ? Neither of which I woud like to guess. I would suggest that you google Tiger 1 Info and email David Byrden who is far more knowledgeable than me.
regards Jim
I noticed the early/mid suspension in the picture which confuses even more except that if it was one of the last batches made and with the shortage of raw materials to forge new parts, a mix and match could have occurred in the factory. Just my thought.
Cheers,
Richard
Cheers,
Richard
What a fantastic link Paul
It certainly seems Monica that this particular Tiger could have been early/mid or late. I think it would take a lot more research and investigation to get a definitive answer to the model of Tiger it is and all the alterations made to it. Also what about the second to last Tiger or the third to last Tiger etc etc ?? The possibilities are endless. If historical accuracy is important on your build then a lot more research would have to be done. If not I think there is enough written and photographic evidence to create a realistic dio of a Tiger I's last stand in Berlin.
It certainly seems Monica that this particular Tiger could have been early/mid or late. I think it would take a lot more research and investigation to get a definitive answer to the model of Tiger it is and all the alterations made to it. Also what about the second to last Tiger or the third to last Tiger etc etc ?? The possibilities are endless. If historical accuracy is important on your build then a lot more research would have to be done. If not I think there is enough written and photographic evidence to create a realistic dio of a Tiger I's last stand in Berlin.
Steve,
Whilst trying to help Monica, I also stumbled across this one which you and others may find of interest :-
https://publicism.info/history/armored/1.html
It is 9 chapters dealing with tanks from the outset of WWII.
At the bottom of each page there is a forward/back link to each chapter.
All this work may be subject to copyright so the following is for discussion purpose, as each
chapter contains some very interesting pictures, cut away's and diagrams as well as statistical
tables.
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Never seen a T34 with tire print snow on its top hatch!!
HTH.
Paul.
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Whilst trying to help Monica, I also stumbled across this one which you and others may find of interest :-
https://publicism.info/history/armored/1.html
It is 9 chapters dealing with tanks from the outset of WWII.
At the bottom of each page there is a forward/back link to each chapter.
All this work may be subject to copyright so the following is for discussion purpose, as each
chapter contains some very interesting pictures, cut away's and diagrams as well as statistical
tables.
View attachment 327482
Never seen a T34 with tire print snow on its top hatch!!
HTH.
Paul.
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Excellent link, thanks Paul.
Pete
Pete
thank you all so ,very very ,much for the help,and info,
it is all a bit of a conflict,real,reading it all,do real appreciate ,your help,
I,m finding so meany maybe,if,buts,about her,maybe she was middle way,and run out of fuel,or broke down,
or just left there,to scare,the Russian,s ,the sigh of a tiger,will slow them down,and a pak44 will take out t34,s,
dont think we will ever know what happened and why,she is there,but a nice spot to die,under the Linden trees,:smiling::rolling:
it is all a bit of a conflict,real,reading it all,do real appreciate ,your help,
I,m finding so meany maybe,if,buts,about her,maybe she was middle way,and run out of fuel,or broke down,
or just left there,to scare,the Russian,s ,the sigh of a tiger,will slow them down,and a pak44 will take out t34,s,
dont think we will ever know what happened and why,she is there,but a nice spot to die,under the Linden trees,:smiling::rolling:
Monica,
You could always try this one!!!
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You could commission Mr Race to whittle the bricks individually, would keep him occupied for a couple of years - and - matron would be extremely happy!!!! :smiling2::smiling2::smiling2::smiling2:
Paul.
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You could always try this one!!!
View attachment 327486
You could commission Mr Race to whittle the bricks individually, would keep him occupied for a couple of years - and - matron would be extremely happy!!!! :smiling2::smiling2::smiling2::smiling2:
Paul.
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Another good find Paul:thumb2:
There is a lot more information and photos on the famous TIIF site for you Monica. Your German may be better than mine but the reference photos are good
HERE
If you cant get in on the link you will need to become a member which is no great shakes. A must site for all tigger fans
There is a lot more information and photos on the famous TIIF site for you Monica. Your German may be better than mine but the reference photos are good
HERE
If you cant get in on the link you will need to become a member which is no great shakes. A must site for all tigger fans
hi,Paul,ta ,great referents picture,I have see this before,along with a couple of other,s as well,and had an idea,do as well,
with a flack,and a panther ,also,
oh lol,would not wish,making wee bricks on anyone,even with,a mold a pain in the butt,:face-with-thermometer:
ta,will look into for a look,and lets hope that,google will be nice and my friend,:relieved:
ta,Steve ,I,will have a look at it,always interested in ,:smiling:
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