discussion WE WILL REMEMBER THEM

[Dave Jay]

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Today, as many of you will know is Remembrance Sunday.


This is our opportunity to remember all the brave souls, young and old, of both genders and irrespective of colour we will remember them.


I believe that we should remember those who have gone before us everyday of our life.


I've lost grandparents, aunties, uncles, my brother and most recently my dear mum. I know for certain that they are in my thoughts and in my heart everyday and today I shall take a moment to reflect on the memories they have given me and to bathe in the love they still give me no matter what the day is. But also I shall remember all those that gave the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom, it's up to us and our future generations to uphold this freedom and our remembrance and to ensure that they are never diminished but anyone.


AT THE GOING DOWN OF THE SUN,


WE WILL REMEMBER THEM.

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[Guest]

Well said Dave. My grandad is always in my thoughts, but never more than today. I remember him proudly marching with the British Legion on the Remembrance Sunday parade.

 

[papa 695]

Well said Dave

 

[Guest]

This is the first Year that I will not be at the Cenotaph marching with my regiment.


Its also the first year that none of my family will represent their service.


Its rather upsetting for me, and my pride is with those who will march for the rest of us.


My Grandfather served, and attended the parade till 2002.


My Father served and laid the wreath for his regiment until 2007 as he passed on feb 2008


Many dont realise the massive sacrifice those men who never came home gave for our lives today. i wish i coild stand and pay my respects to those many, but i know they will always be thanked by my family through future generations.


LEST WE FORGET

 

[Guest]

11 of the Eleventh. We cannot for get them.


12:00 and the canon in Jersey are just releasing their broadsides.


The flags the Union Jack and Jersey Flag all over St Helier fly


proudly side by side in the breeze.


Laurie

What is the use of living if it be not to strive for noble causes


and to make this muddled world a better place for those


who will live in it after we are gone.


Winston Churchill


Dundee


October 9th 1908.

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[Guest]

Was at Ibrox yesterday watching Rangers and as usual the display in remembrance was magnificent and very moving.


We can never forget those who gave everything for us.

 

[grumpa]

November 11 is our "Veterans Day" us REAL Americans will honor the memories of our brave fallen and also the survivors who have on a daily basis to deal with the physical and emotional scars that we will take to the grave. Viet Nam wasn't a popular "war" but it doesn't in the least diminish the bravery, sacrifices, Pain and death suffered by some of the finest young men it has been my supreme honor to have served with. Alas this generation "X" {I call them generation "Zero"} have been mentally corrupted by our failing school system, shamelessly bias media and a govt. that isn't fit to lick the boots of those courageous souls who gave their all and then some for their country. We shall ALL be embarking on yet another major conflagration soon enough and yet another army of brave men shall step forward into the fray, alas I am too old to be of any use but my spirit and admiration will go in with the spearhead as I did in my younger days............Jim


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[monica]

very well said,Dave,could not add more,


I give a through to them at the rising and setting of the sun each,day,


as we had them on both sides,and there always in good memories,

 

[Dave Jay]

November 11 is our "Veterans Day" us REAL Americans will honor the memories of our brave fallen and also the survivors who have on a daily basis to deal with the physical and emotional scars that we will take to the grave. Viet Nam wasn't a popular "war" but it doesn't in the least diminish the bravery, sacrifices, Pain and death suffered by some of the finest young men it has been my supreme honor to have served with. Alas this generation "X" {I call them generation "Zero"} have been mentally corrupted by our failing school system, shamelessly bias media and a govt. that isn't fit to lick the boots of those courageous souls who gave their all and then some for their country. We shall ALL be embarking on yet another major conflagration soon enough and yet another army of brave men shall step forward into the fray, alas I am too old to be of any use but my spirit and admiration will go in with the spearhead as I did in my younger days............Jim
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Jim, thank you for your emotive reply. The bravery of past serving forces personnel is was and still is outstanding, I'm sure that we all agree that our admiration for them is uniting us all that have an modicum of understanding for the sacrifices made and sacrifices they are still making both mental and physical whether they are still serving their nation or not.


I for one have a heart full of pride, admiration and sheer humbleness for those who have and still continue to serve and fight for their country.


My hat goes of to you, I bow to you.


I have met many Vietnam and World War 2 veterans (I used to do reenactments of both conflicts portraying the 101st and 82nd Airborne respectively), I have to say that they are the finest characters I have ever had the honour to be in the presence of, ever so ordinary but also ever so very special. One particular character I met was a guy called 'Indian Joe', he was a World War 2, Vietnam vet and a Gulf war advisor, an absolutely amazing guy but in no way different from any one of us. I attended his funeral to which he was interred with full military honours. I miss him.

 

[Guest]

November 11 is our "Veterans Day" us REAL Americans will honor the memories of our brave fallen and also the survivors who have on a daily basis to deal with the physical and emotional scars that we will take to the grave. Viet Nam wasn't a popular "war" but it doesn't in the least diminish the bravery, sacrifices, Pain and death suffered by some of the finest young men it has been my supreme honor to have served with. Alas this generation "X" {I call them generation "Zero"} have been mentally corrupted by our failing school system, shamelessly bias media and a govt. that isn't fit to lick the boots of those courageous souls who gave their all and then some for their country. We shall ALL be embarking on yet another major conflagration soon enough and yet another army of brave men shall step forward into the fray, alas I am too old to be of any use but my spirit and admiration will go in with the spearhead as I did in my younger days............Jim
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Jim, I totally agree with your sentiment - we live in a strange world where mindless airhead ' celebrities ' are nigh-on worshipped, while those that died to give the freedom to do such things are forgotten.


Worse still are the men & women who have suffered life-changing injuries .... they get less help & recognition than the dead.


But look back over history. The tales of bravery & heroism have never been taught in schools etc. It's only through popular culture, such as films & books that give some idea of the debt we owe to those who sacrificed so much.


As to the future conflict, I really hope that doesn't happen. As a species we've got to begin to leave mass armed conflict behind. Small wars & battles will always happen - it's human nature to fight to survive but large scale wars must be left in the past.

 

[Guest]

we live in a strange world where mindless airhead ' celebrities ' are nigh-on worshipped, while those that died to give the freedom to do such things are forgotten.

Totally agree Patrick. I have always dismissed this thinking that


they are some exalted type of human being. Being paid enormous


sums for a luxury life at other peoples expense.


Our soldiers naval and airforce personnel put in enormous amounts


of time for a pittance. Running with stress and putting their own lives at risk and the harmony


of their families.


We turn to them time and again.


Laurie

 

[Guest]

Kipling said it best


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I WENT into a public 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,


The publican 'e up an' sez, " We serve no red-coats here."


The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,


I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:


O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, go away " ;


But it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play


The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,


O it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play.


I went into a theatre as sober as could be,


They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;


They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,


But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!


For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, wait outside ";


But it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide


The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,


O it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide.


Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep


Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap.


An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit


Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.


Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "


But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll


The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,


O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.


We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,


But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;


An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,


Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;


While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, fall be'ind,"


But it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind


There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,


O it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.


You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:


We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.


Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face


The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.


For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! "


But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;


An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;


An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

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[Guest]

Amen patrick.


Nowt else can be said!

 

[grumpa]

Jim, I totally agree with your sentiment - we live in a strange world where mindless airhead ' celebrities ' are nigh-on worshipped, while those that died to give the freedom to do such things are forgotten.
Worse still are the men & women who have suffered life-changing injuries .... they get less help & recognition than the dead.


But look back over history. The tales of bravery & heroism have never been taught in schools etc. It's only through popular culture, such as films & books that give some idea of the debt we owe to those who sacrificed so much.


As to the future conflict, I really hope that doesn't happen. As a species we've got to begin to leave mass armed conflict behind. Small wars & battles will always happen - it's human nature to fight to survive but large scale wars must be left in the past.

I hope you're right my dear Patrick but considering the fact that our "Enemy in the Whitehouse" president and his predecessor have slashed our military to below WW1{Navy} WW2 {Army etc..}


levels, scrapping every attempt to modernize our forces, demoralizing them through "social experimentation" ie. cancelling the "don't ask don't tell" policy {gays} that all military orgs. have practiced since time immemorial, putting the missus in fox holes, granting "transgender" rights {paying for sex change operations} and it goes on and on. Of course the thugs of the world take heart from and notice


of such weakness and are building up for a final showdown. Woe to the decent and civilized countries of the world for with a neutered and prostrate America and Great Britain all bets are off. Don't know enough about the situation in Merry Old England but if it is anything like what's happening here I say live it up and enjoy your "freedoms?" while they last. Chances are such oldsters as ourselves may not live to see the "final solution" the heathens and barbarians have envisioned for us but our children and grand children will surely suffer the consequences of our shameful, cowardly and awful neglect of their future security and freedom. And no I'm not a dire pessimist just a bloodied realist....sorry......Jim

 

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15 miles due east from the shores of wick, caithness lies 185 souls including my grandad lenny. As the Reverend of wick parish church told me.....they went silently to war....out of desperation for their families and fellow men. Their guns fell silent from 1940 until 2001 when the wreck was discovered. Let us never forget that out there in the timeless blue lies the entire ships complement.....still silently watching our shores. God bless hms exmouth.

 

[Dave Jay]

I'm so grateful for all your inputs on my thread, I knew when I created (with trepidation) this post that I would evoke a variety of comments and some comments would be more passionately expressed than others. The comments thus far posted are worded with such passion, grit, and heartfelt emotion and obviously with a deep seated patriotism for our forefathers but also a dismay and lack of confidence in our governments (no surprise there).


Thank you all once again for your inputs on what is a subject that can evoke so many different points of view.


I am humbled to be in such esteemed company of fine people.

 

[Guest]

I'm so grateful for all your inputs on my thread, I knew when I created (with trepidation) this post that I would evoke a variety of comments and some comments would be more passionately expressed than others. The comments thus far posted are worded with such passion, grit, and heartfelt emotion and obviously with a deep seated patriotism for our forefathers but also a dismay and lack of confidence in our governments (no surprise there).
Thank you all once again for your inputs on what is a subject that can evoke so many different points of view.


I am humbled to be in such esteemed company of fine people.

Hello, Dave!


I`m sorry,but in which countries does the Remembrance Day celebrate?


I`m from Russia and as you might know Russians celebrate 9 May as a Victory Day


We don`t have this holiday like you.

 

[Guest]

I was going to do a similar thread Dave, but you beat me to it!


Whilst I obviously believe strongly in the value of remembrance, I respect those for whom it's not as important - except for that disrespectful twat Jeremy Corbyn was it too much to bow?


Better stop now before I go on a rant!

 

[Dave Jay]

To Lubusheskha,


Hi and welcome to the forum. In the United Kingdom we commemorate those who gave their lives for our freedom during the first and second world wars and other conflicts since 1945. We also give thanks to those that are still serving and to those who have survived the atrocities that war generates.


It's not really a holiday for us, our government don't see why we should have an extra day holiday to remember our heroes and heroinnes, we show our respects by giving just two minutes of our time in silence at 11 in the morning on the 11th day of November, it's not much to ask, just two minutes, but some people (a lot of people) in this country can't even manage to stop for two seconds. God help us!

 

[Dave Jay]

I was going to do a similar thread Dave, but you beat me to it!
Whilst I obviously believe strongly in the value of remembrance, I respect those for whom it's not as important - except for that disrespectful twat Jeremy Corbyn was it too much to bow?


Better stop now before I go on a rant!

I wholeheartedly agree, each to their own. Everyone has differing opinions and that is what makes this forum interesting.


As for Corbyn, don't get me started


I don't have time for politicians, to me they are a waste of time and money, they have diminished our freedom, our freedom of speech and our democratic rights. How can we have 'Political Correctness' when all the politics, politicians and policies are all incorrect?!


We need to rewind and go back to basics slow down and become more aware of what's going on around us.