What defines "Pro-built"?

[geegad]

Never looked at pro built models on ebay before wow some are shall we say I little over priced..think you look at your own models don't know what I would ask for my work but certainly not the prices they are asking

[Paul Davies]

Never looked at pro built models on ebay before wow some are shall we say I little over priced..think you look at your own models don't know what I would ask for my work but certainly not the prices they are asking

Its not just built models but unbuilt ones are on there for stupid money. Mist of which are still readily available for a fraction of the price

[Guest]

I think it's the same 'buyer beware' approach to anything nowadays, there will always be those who will either bend the truth or sometimes simply tell a downright lie.


Then there are those smarties who have to be that bit cleverer than anyone else, they are the ones who sell a model as pro-built but then later admit they are actually a proffessional bricklayer! Well it was still built by a pro, just not a pro modeller!!


Trust nothing and no-one on line and you may well be that bit safer.

[colin m]

Or how about a new approach Colin . A brand new name.
Pratt built. The Pratt approach to building models. Built under Pratt conditions. Forget Pro go for Pratt. Pratt standard.


Sounds first class.


A.N.Other, Model Maker, P.R.A.T.T.

That will never work Laurie. There are too many of us who could use that 'handle'...... I'll put my hand up first !

[Ian M]

Being paid to provide a service makes you a professional.


Being trained in a profession makes you a trained professional.


Being some one that makes a model then sell them on flea bay, makes you an opportunist.

[Guest]

Well I've never seen them on ebay but I can think of a few I would call professional. roymattblack (roy fitzimonds) our own Polux and moni ( who has sold privately so is officially ) Tiking (not sure the last is spelt right)and Dirk Vageel there are probably lots more but they are all people I look upto ( which I think is what we all should aspire to) we should all aim to be better, but some are more gifted than others ( look at my small list, I am sure others could expand) some of us have more patience or skill, the point is we all strive for the same thing, is that pro or just realising we've done the best we can.

[Alan 45]

Well I've never seen them on ebay but I can think of a few I would call professional. roymattblack (roy fitzimonds) our own Polux and moni ( who has sold privately so is officially ) Tiking (not sure the last is spelt right)and Dirk Vageel there are probably lots more but they are all people I look upto ( which I think is what we all should aspire to) we should all aim to be better, but some are more gifted than others ( look at my small list, I am sure others could expand) some of us have more patience or skill, the point is we all strive for the same thing, is that pro or just realising we've done the best we can.

I can't say if those you've mentioned could be classed as professional they sertainly could be with the quality of there work without a shadow of a doubt but I do know of one person on here I can say is professional and that's Paul P he builds his own figures and has had some commit ironed by actual companies so that I say qualifies as professional


If you build for yourself as a hobby no matter if you sell them on afterwards your not a professional

[yak face]

Or how about a new approach Colin . A brand new name.
Pratt built. The Pratt approach to building models. Built under Pratt conditions. Forget Pro go for Pratt. Pratt standard.


Sounds first class.


A.N.Other, Model Maker, P.R.A.T.T.

Or how about someone whos called Jerry , his models would be Jerry built !!

[Guest]

Well I've never seen them on ebay but I can think of a few I would call professional. roymattblack (roy fitzimonds) our own Polux and moni ( who has sold privately so is officially ) Tiking (not sure the last is spelt right)and Dirk Vageel there are probably lots more but they are all people I look upto ( which I think is what we all should aspire to) we should all aim to be better, but some are more gifted than others ( look at my small list, I am sure others could expand) some of us have more patience or skill, the point is we all strive for the same thing, is that pro or just realising we've done the best we can.

It's extremely kind of you to put my name on your list.


I admit that now I'm retired, I spend a great deal of my time model making. 'Pro'??? - no.


I don't do builds to commission but I have contacts who sometimes want my finished cars - I've just sold one of my giant scratch built Jaguars - another contact wanted one the same, but I refused. I build what I WANT - Not what someone else wants. Currently building an Aston DBR1.


I still don't call myself pro.


At best, semi-pro as to me, it's primarily a hobby.


If I never sold ANY models, it wouldn't bother me.


The minute it becomes a business, the fun goes out of it.


Roy.

[Guest]

well i live off the profits from my sculpts and my commision builds, but i wouldnt consider myself a professional

[Guest]

In my view a professional model maker, is someone who does it for a living, whom others recommend and who works to commission, making any alterations that the customer requests, and i'll echo steve here that is not me either, I've never sold any kits built or unbuilt on e-bay as being Scottish iam to tight to part with them and nobody would want them anyway.


scott

[dave]

Ignoring the professions (i.e. lawyers, accountants etc.) who have to pass examinations in order to work. A professional is someone who makes their living doing something.


Sadly professional has nothing to do with quality. There are plenty of "professionals" out there who do a **** job and some very talented amateurs who are far more skilful. Often the "professional" is someone who can do the task to an acceptable standard in a reasonable time.


It falls back on the old 80/20 rule, the professional stops at 80 because time is money, the amateur will try for 100 because to them the extra time does not matter.


This does not cover those talented professionals out there who do go the extra mile.

[Guest]

[quote="roymattblack, post: 286843, member: 25591"


The minute it becomes a business, the fun goes out of it. Roy.


So right Roy. Used to produce my own fims for self interest. Then I started as a "pro" or was it "semi pro" or not even pro. ha ha producing films for the lolly.


When I stopped 2 years ago my own interest in making my own films had disappeared.


Laurie

[Guest]

It's extremely kind of you to put my name on your list.
I admit that now I'm retired, I spend a great deal of my time model making. 'Pro'??? - no.


I don't do builds to commission but I have contacts who sometimes want my finished cars - I've just sold one of my giant scratch built Jaguars - another contact wanted one the same, but I refused. I build what I WANT - Not what someone else wants. Currently building an Aston DBR1.


I still don't call myself pro.


At best, semi-pro as to me, it's primarily a hobby.


If I never sold ANY models, it wouldn't bother me.


The minute it becomes a business, the fun goes out of it.


Roy.

well said. completely agree

[eddiesolo]

well i live off the profits from my sculpts and my commision builds, but i wouldnt consider myself a professional

Disagree Paul, your talent and skill, not only in sculpting but in painting means you're good enough to be commissioned. You make a living from it, you are in the top 1% that can do that.