Your thoughts please gents?!?!

[Guest]

Well. That's 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back!

[eddiesolo]

Well. That's 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back!

I say that every time I start building a model...

[Guest]

I've got to say that there is a preponderance of german WW2 subjects, and I do think it's skewing the market a little in that I suspect most modellers are modellers first, and will build anything they can get hold of, rather than hold out for their favoured subjects...
....But to infer some sort of neo-nazism from the aforementioned seems,...well, odd.... And he kind of shot himself in the foot a bit, when he then went on about solely US subjects, and carefully ignored the paucity of british subjects. (Older Airfix kits, notwithstanding)


Still, it's his opinion, and he's entitled to it- but like others upthread, wish he wouldn't swear quite so much though.


The 'attaboy' blog was interesting though, and interestingly, somewhat less sweary. I kind of agree with him there- Much as I appreciate (and I do, very much) the very kind comments from fellow members, I wouldn't mind some constructive comments- I'm always looking to improve, and am always willing to learn.


....Obviously, criticism has to be constructive, and we must be responsible and sensible when writing it, but I can't see the harm.


Maybe, the answer is a 'critique corner'- I'm sure I've seen such a thing on another 'site. But please, if you spot something I could do better- tell me... nicely

There already is a ' critique corner ' of sorts on here Dave, although it's not used very much.


The subject of constructive criticism has been raised on here many times & the general consensus seems to be ....say something nice or nothing as anything else will be put down. There appears to be a concern that we're not grown adults & we can't accept well-intentioned advice.


I could go on .... but I won't! :P

[Guest]

I say that every time I start building a model...

20 minutes of actual model making is a good day for me Si! Mostly it's hours of searching for enthusiasm

[eddiesolo]

Though based on the pre-reception I've received I hope you'll understand if I'm not wholly convinced of the "friendly" part.

Friendly...of course we are friendly...did you read one post that said you're a d**kh**d (I am using this as a point and not referring that you are one), on other sites you could, nah, would have all kinds of vulgar nasties issued against you. We discussed, we ranted...be damn grateful for your referral traffic...come on, admit it...gave you something to do.

[spanner570]

I really wasn't going to bother with this, but I've had a quick read.


It reminds me of the bloke who goes into a crowded bar, throws a chair across the room and sits back to watch the fun.


Here's the parallel....Choose a subject you know will be controversial and bound to create a lively debate, then sit back and watch it disintegrate from a good, general discussion, through to it getting slightly personal.......then people who are fed up with it all and want it stopped.........then to calm things down, folks try to inject some humour into it..........then, when everyone has had enough, go completely off subject, talking about censorship.......and drinks all round!


Perhaps it's just cynical old me who's been on this planet for a long time and seen it all before.....

[eddiesolo]

I really wasn't going to bother with this, but I've had a quick read.
It reminds me of the bloke who goes into a crowded bar, throws a chair across the room and sits back to watch the fun.


Here's the parallel....Choose a subject you know will be controversial and bound to create a lively debate, then sit back and watch it disintegrate from a good, general discussion, through to it getting slightly personal.......then people who are fed up with it all and want it stopped.........then to calm things down, folks try to inject some humour into it..........then, when everyone has had enough, go completely off subject, talking about censorship.......and drinks all round!


Perhaps it's just cynical old me who's been on this planet for a long time and seen it all before.....

You, old, cynical...never Ron. Good points though. I did add some humour as to me, it is like a tea-break-a time-out if you will.


Speaking of drinks...mines a pint please.

[stona]

I think Doog's blog made a perfectly reasonable point about a supposed preponderance of German subjects represented in model kits. I can only make an informed comment on the aircraft sector and have to say that his own statistics don't really back this up.


Incidentally whilst the US did produce the fighters listed in the blog, in the ETO it only operated three (I could easily argue for two, though a couple of hundred P-38s most of which didn't work too well is I suppose significant) in any significant numbers. The British operated three types in significant numbers (one not much and not in a fighter role post 1941) and the Germans two. The numbers are for more even than one might suspect.


In the MTO the Germans operated two in numbers and the British two, until Spitfires arrived in meaningful numbers at which point they replaced one and later both types.


A plethora of German subjects is provided by the incompetent way German aircraft production was run with dozens of types, some quite exotic and therefore attractive to model builders and kit manufacturers, most of which saw no or very limited service. It's why many people build an He 177 rather than a Stirling and an Me 163 rather than a Defiant


Cheers


Steve

[Guest]

Models of all types ,ie Planes,boats,trains and tanks etc are very popular in Germany with many youngsters taking up the hobby. It follows therefore that there will be a fairly large supply of German based kits.

[Guest]

Incidentally whilst the US did produce the fighters listed in the blog, in the ETO it only operated three (I could easily argue for two, though a couple of hundred P-38s most of which didn't work too well is I suppose significant) in any significant numbers. The British operated three types in significant numbers (one not much and not in a fighter role post 1941) and the Germans two. The numbers are for more even than one might suspect.
In the MTO the Germans operated two in numbers and the British two, until Spitfires arrived in meaningful numbers at which point they replaced one and later both types.

Apologies for my ignorance Steve. What do ETO and MTO mean. Regret clueless. Like a lot of TV quizz programmes it is obvious when the answer is revealed.


Also I am a bit lost in the explanation which seems interesting but I fear not understandable to me.


Laurie

[stona]

European and Mediterranean theatres of operation respectvely.


In the ETO the Americans operated the P-38, P-47 (always more numerous than the former) and P-51 (which replaced both almost entirely). Not really so many.


The British operated the Spitfire, Hurricane and Typhoon in serious numbers. The Typhoon was supposed to have replaced the Hurricane, but well documented development problems meant that in fact the Spitfire did to a large extent.


The Germans the Bf 110, Bf 109 and Fw 190 (including the distinctly different 'long nose' Jumo powered variants). Later the Me 210/410 appeared in serious numbers, but the Bf 110 soldiered on.


In the Mediterranean the Germans operated the Bf 109 and Bf 110, the British various versions of the P-40, Hurricane and then Spitfire.


There were of course many other types used by all sides, but these formed the backbone of fighter operations. A similar parity in numbers of types will be found in other categories with the exception of heavy bombers which the Germans didn't really operate in significant numbers at all. That's why you'll see a lot of B-17s, B-24s, Lancasters and Halifaxes built


Cheers


Steve

[Dave Jay]

I think may be I entered in to this thread believing that I had enough knowledge to add comment to the subject raised and now realise I was out of my depth.


One thing I have learnt from this is that sometimes it's better to sit back and observe and learn from a distance rather than get mixed up with the varying emotions than can occasionally come from such a subject as in this thread.


Another thing is that there are some really good people out there with some very good opinions and a wide knowledge base that makes this forum a great place to be and for me definitely takes more than 20 minutes away from me!

[Dave Jay]

No don't Dave! I hope that you haven't taken what I said in the wrong way.
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, it's just that I feel Doog's motivation has been somewhat misrepresented.


Had he been the one who started the thread, then perhaps he might have had some hidden agenda. But he didn't - in fact he's simply replied to stuff said about him without his knowledge. To my mind he's been a good sport about it all.


Although this is a forum for model making, we're also friends - it's what sets this forum apart from the others IMHO.


So Dave, please feel free to express your thoughts & ideas!

Patrick, I will continue to make comments/points of view on here but only on subjects that I have a definite knowledge of and that the inputs I make are not beyond my comprehension, I'm not saying I'm thick/stupid but it's obvious that doogs is a far cleverer wordsmith than I for which I have a certain amount of envy in despite his fervent use of expletives on a public forum. I just believe that many of us should be a tad wary and not get drawn in to deep discussions but forward by him, especially now that he is now a member of this forum. Okay he didn't start the thread on here but nonetheless he started a thread somewhere obviously in the knowledge that it would be picked up on and torn apart on a forum such as ours.


Just be careful that's all.


Thanks anyway Patrick for your encouragement.

[spanner570]

Yes indeed, be careful.....See my post 'man throws chair in bar'.....be warned.


Don't be envious Dave, a clever 'wordsmith' doesn't need to resort to foul language, I'm sure you wouldn't need to lower yourself to the same level to get your written word across to the masses.


Rest assured, this type of person knows full well the game they are playing.

[stona]

Okay he didn't start the thread on here but nonetheless he started a thread somewhere obviously in the knowledge that it would be picked up on and torn apart on a forum such as ours.

He didn't Dave, that's true. You are as entitled to your opinion and view as anyone else and should feel free to express them within reasonable bounds. I think you have a fair point which Doogs may or may not care to rebuff. Use of words like 'fetishizing' is bound to be provocative. To fetishize something implies by definition an element of excess or irrationality which is simply not the case. A reasoned argument rather than outrage is a more appropriate response. There are many German/Nazi subjects available, though I would argue not in as large a disproportion as he argues. I also believe he is incorrect in his suggested reasons for this.


Cheers


Steve