Land-Wasser-Schlepper No. 1071

[Jim R]

I'll steer clear of Mission Models paint if it reacts like that to water. Very odd.
Jim

[Tim Marlow]

Me too Jim. I would also be extremely careful about future handling…..did you dilute the mission model paint at all Jakko? Might be that the paint structure has broken down with dilution so it doesn’t bind to the surface like it should.

[scottie3158]

Jakko, coming on nicely lucky you tried it underneath first.

[Steve Jones]

Mission Models is a sensitive beast as it is organic and has no additives. So if you have contaminants in your airbrush, paint brush etc it affects it badly. They have a web page dedicated to the issues

Mission Models Hints and Tips

[Tim Marlow]

Don’t think I’ll be using it Steve. That page seems to suggest that unless you have a pristine airbrush then sooner or later you will get problems…..in effect you need a new airbrush, and to only use it for MM paint, to have the paint perform issue free? Not a great selling point. Pity really, my closest LHS stocks this as one of their major ranges.

[Jim R]

Having read through the MM web page which Steve flagged up I think I'll definitely be giving it a miss. It just sounds too risky and complicated. Other paints seem much more forgiving.

[Guest]

I would also be extremely careful about future handling…..

Holding the model for touching up areas my airbrush didn’t reach, caused darker areas on the hull sides. Not quite fingerprints, but clearly caused by me holding the model.

did you dilute the mission model paint at all Jakko?

Nope — I poured the paint into my airbrush cup, thought it looked thin enough to spray, tried it without thinner, and then decided it was good enough to spray the model with. What’s on it is what came from the bottle and nothing else.

I hadn’t read up on the brand at all, I have one other bottle of their paints that I used (on my M70 “what if” MBT), and it worked well enough there, so when looking for German grey I thought I’d buy this. On another forum, someone said that some modeller who I assume to be some superstar of the hobby whom I’ve never heard of, likes Mission Models paints for chipping because they don’t need a layer of hairspray underneath … So I will definitely be varnishing this one before I go on

Though after this I think I will not be buying much more of this … I prefer the strength of stuff like Tamiya and Mr. Hobby, even if it means having to thin them myself.

[Steve Jones]

That page seems to suggest that unless you have a pristine airbrush then sooner or later you will get problems…..in effect you need a new airbrush, and to only use it for MM paint, to have the paint perform issue free?

Totally correct Tim. That's why I don't use it, which is a shame as its poly element is great for burnishing to give a nice worn effect.

[Steve Jones]

On another forum, someone said that some modeller who I assume to be some superstar of the hobby whom I’ve never heard of, likes Mission Models paints for chipping because they don’t need a layer of hairspray underneath …

That will probably be Mike Rinaldi. He is MM through and through and worked with them to promote the product in the early days. The chipping ability of the paint is very good but for me the rest of its issues out weighs this one benefit.

[Guest]

He referred to someone called Rinaldi, so I suspect that’s the one, then If he likes it and can work well with it, good for him, but this experience for me was not great.

[Allen Dewire]

A very timely discussion here as I too use MM paints. Yesterday, I wanted to shoot their red oxide on a few pieces and poured it straight into the cup. Spraying at 15 psi, I managed to paint 4 wheels before the AB clogged up. I noticed the tip of my Aztec looked caked up, so to speak, so I emptied the cup and proceeded to clean the AB with their thinner. It made it worse and clumped everything up. The only thought I had was that the thinner had gone off and become useless. It had a greasy feel to it too. The bottle is a bit over 5 years old and I didn't think thinner had a shelf life...

I ended up cleaning the mess in the AB with AK 3rd Gen thinner. That worked pretty well and got it clean. I have used MM's late war dark yellow many times and never had a problem spraying with it. I found the paint coat is smooth, but very prone to scratching while handling the model though. I've never had a problem with finger prints or darkening where you handle it either...

Sorry to clog up your thread Jakko. It's just a funny coincidence with MM paints. I really like your work on the Schlepper and your attention to details. I have the Hobby Boss early model of this waiting to be built someday. Drive on Sir!!!....

Prost
Allen

[Guest]

I also used an Aztek, and it didn’t clog up the nozzle or form a cone around the needle tip at all, unlike Vallejo. This paint keeps getting more unpredictable

Anyway, this afternoon, I varnished the model:

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Among my aerosol cans, I found one of Games Workshop ’Ardcoat, which is their gloss varnish. Figuring it would be better to use this than one intended for cars (the only alternative I have), I gave the model a good coat of it. Now it’s dry, I tried brushing water on the bottom of the hull again, and this time, no bare plastic show up. Success So far, anyway … I should not get excited too early about this …

[Jim R]

Lets hope that the 'ardcoat has sorted the problem. Still can't understand how MM can promote a paint with so many disadvantages, especially when there are so many paints with good reviews.
Jim

[Guest]

It will now be slightly tricky to do my usual wash-and-drybrush, because the gloss has increased the contrast between the dark grey base and the medium grey highlights. I hope an overall wash plus a later coat of matt varnish will reduce the contrast a little again, though.

[Guest]

After a wash of Tamiya flat black thinned with water, the contrast has notably improved:

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Now on to drybrushing, decals etc.