discussion MIG AMMO shaders

[BigGrandad]

Hi everyone
have any of you used the MIG AMMO ’shaders’ at all. Interested in what they do and how they perform?

 

[Guest]

Yes Graham.
The idea behind them is having a ready to use oil mix . None of the putting a blob of oil paint on a piece of cardboard, letting it disperse the turpentine, then mixing with sprits to thin to a useable medium .
After spraying the acrylic coats of paint with a satin varnish and allowing to fully dry I run a thin line of spirit where I want to put the oil first then blend in . So it saves the preparation and gives you a premixed oil , just requiring blending .
I've several tubes, the brown, green , these depend on what model type your building , some dirty mix " starship filth "
Really like them , time saving and I suppose a perfect blend of oil .
Hope this helps, plenty of videos on U Tube as well .

 

[Andy T]

John, I'm wondering if Graham means these instead.

I've used them a couple of times but not enough to be fully conversant yet. Basically a very transparent paint, like a glaze or filter, used to airbrush a slight "tint" to an area that can be built up in layers for a stronger or graduated effect. For a short time they can be manipulated or even removed with water.

Similar can be mixed up with regular paints using something like a glaze medium to reduce opacity, or even mixing paints or inks with a compatible clear varnish, but having a straight from the bottle product is very convenient.


Sorry for the huge picture, I lifted it straight from the shop

 

[BigGrandad]

Yes Graham.
The idea behind them is having a ready to use oil mix . None of the putting a blob of oil paint on a piece of cardboard, letting it disperse the turpentine, then mixing with sprits to thin to a useable medium .
After spraying the acrylic coats of paint with a satin varnish and allowing to fully dry I run a thin line of spirit where I want to put the oil first then blend in . So it saves the preparation and gives you a premixed oil , just requiring blending .
I've several tubes, the brown, green , these depend on what model type your building , some dirty mix " starship filth "
Really like them , time saving and I suppose a perfect blend of oil .
Hope this helps, plenty of videos on U Tube as well .

 

[BigGrandad]

Hi John
Great, thanks for the info.

 

[BigGrandad]

John, I'm wondering if Graham means these instead.

I've used them a couple of times but not enough to be fully conversant yet. Basically a very transparent paint, like a glaze or filter, used to airbrush a slight "tint" to an area that can be built up in layers for a stronger or graduated effect. For a short time they can be manipulated or even removed with water.

Similar can be mixed up with regular paints using something like a glaze medium to reduce opacity, or even mixing paints or inks with a compatible clear varnish, but having a straight from the bottle product is very convenient.


Sorry for the huge picture, I lifted it straight from the shop

Hi Andy
Yes, this is what I meant, it sounded like it was a ‘shortcut’ version of the technique John outlined.
If it works easily with an airbrush I think I will invest in some.

 

[Guest]

Hi Andy
Yes, this is what I meant, it sounded like it was a ‘shortcut’ version of the technique John outlined.
If it works easily with an airbrush I think I will invest in some.

Yes see what you ment now Andy has shown the product .Is that oil based ? As I've tried acrylic types and thought the were very weak .
One to think about is Flory Models wash, easily removed with water if your not happy, and very effective

 

[Tim Marlow]

I’ve found the Life colour liquid pigment set hard to use so wouldn’t recommend you try that one…..the pigment remover they supply in the set removes both the liquid pigment and the underlying paint :disappointed2:

 

[BigGrandad]

This is supposed to be water based and can be worked with/cleaned for a short period after application.
Think I will try one bottle and have a play on my test bed model.

 

[Ernie]

I have several shades, though have not used them yet. My understanding is they are basically acrylic inks. Ammo also put out a book on how to use them, but I have not been able to find a copy.

 

[Andy T]

Yes see what you ment now Andy has shown the product .Is that oil based ? As I've tried acrylic types and thought the were very weak .
One to think about is Flory Models wash, easily removed with water if your not happy, and very effective

Water based John.

I used them on that tree if you remember it. Some yellow from above and dark green from below just to add a bit of highlight & shadow.

 

[Guest]

Water based John.

I used them on that tree if you remember it. Some yellow from above and dark green from below just to add a bit of highlight & shadow.

I do remember the build Andy , that came out well .

This is supposed to be water based and can be worked with/cleaned for a short period after application.
Think I will try one bottle and have a play on my test bed model.

Graham , hope you will post your findings, it's always best when someone has actually used the product rather than except the manufacturers blurb.

I have several shades, though have not used them yet. My understanding is they are basically acrylic inks. Ammo also put out a book on how to use them, but I have not been able to find a copy.

Ernie, it's been discontinued according to the Scale Model Shop ( run by John the site owner) Still available from several other on line shops if you really want a copy .

 

[BigGrandad]

I do remember the build Andy , that came out well .

Graham , hope you will post your findings, it's always best when someone has actually used the product rather than except the manufacturers blurb.

Ernie, it's been discontinued according to the Scale Model Shop ( run by John the site owner) Still available from several other on line shops if you really want a copy .

Just ordered some from John!. If they are being discontinued, sounds like they are not very popular or even not very good!!.
should have waited till they were in the discontinued sale!!!

 

[Andy T]

I think John was referring to the book being discontinued, not the paints.

 

[BigGrandad]

Doh!!!!!!

 

[Guest]

Doh!!!!!!

Not your fault Graham, I'm certified mad

 

[Ernie]

Thank you John, I didn't realize the book was discontinued. If I happen to find one, i might pick it up, not a big deal, at least at the moment anyway.

 

[David Lovell]

I've got several diffrent shades of what I'd call dirt colours in the shaders but have never used them ,I think ak do a demo on YouTube. Tim didn't get on with the life colour liquid pigments I think there great its one of thoes one mans bovril is another man's marshite I mean marmite.lm a great beliver in if you can't see it dont bother with it but I always prime and spray the under side of afvs a great place to test and get the feel for these products before taking them up top. Dave

 

[David Lovell]

Go on YouTube stick in ammo shaders loads of stuff how too 's. Dave

 

[Andy T]

Not really their intended use but I added some variety to this bland looking static grass by using 4 different Ammo shaders. Olive drab, dark green, yellow & dirt.