discussion Alan 45's Airfix 1/72 Supermarine Spitfire mkvb revised

[Alan 45]

all the work on a good kit ruined by the matt coat I used , I changed to humbrol because it was cheeper I usually use revell and have never had a problem but ay I'll learn from modelling is a learning curve after all

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[Guest]

The blue colour cast makes it difficult to see the difference. I have removed that cast and this might help others more experienced to comment. To me, the colours look subdues and the whole thing seems muddy. What brand of paint did you use under the matt coat? Was it your usual Revell: acrylic (or something else—I don't know the Revell range.)

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[Alan 45]

The blue colour cast makes it difficult to see the difference. I have removed that cast and this might help others more experienced to comment. To me, the colours look subdues and the whole thing seems muddy. What brand of paint did you use under the matt coat?View attachment 99027

Cheers Steve I used humbrol paints and oil paint for weathering, I always use oil for weathering and always make sure it's dry and this has never happened to any other build the only difference is I have used humbrol varnish on this one and revel on the others

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as you can see it's gone all foggy
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[john i am]

Well I'm still giving you a great build gong thing as promised as I saw this in your build thread and it looked great.i once used Matt varnish out of an aerosol can and had a similar effect. I now never mix brands at all and use vallejo for everything religiously.even on my fish n chips.

 

[Alan 45]

Cheers John I think it's great under the Matt coat lol I suppose I could cover it in fine ballast and turn it into a sunken wreck

 

[eddiesolo]

Sounds like the varnish has reacted with the oil wash-this has happened with me before-the carrier in the oil, even if the meths has dried off can still react. Good build though mate despite the issue. I like it and think you have done a great job, paintwork looks nice-bit too dirty perhaps but this is war after all.

Si

 

[Ian M]

First off great job.

The matt coat... Hmmm Humbrol's matt is infamous. You need to shake the &"¤# out of it, Stir it until you arms fall off then shake it some more.

The matt is for all intents and purpose talcum in suspension- The Varnish is the same as the gloss. (Dont stir at all and it is one of the best gloss varnishes I have used.)

If its not been stirred enough it could be the cause of the streak and fogging....

Ian M

 

[Dave W]

I've had this happen with several models.Most recently my Airfix mk6 Mosquito.im told it's because I haven't stirred the varnish enough.However,with the Mossie I decanted the whole bottle of Varnish into a plastic shot glass.Then I mixed it thoroughly with some of the same manufacturers thinners and still I had this problem.Ive had this happen with the old Humbrol clear Matt and more recently with Vallejo acrylic matt clear.When I first used the a Vallejo product I thought it was fantastic stuff.I got perfect Matt finish every time.But the last few bottles I've bought have done this.Maybe ive had a couple of bad batches.Anyway,I'm now using Alclad clear Matt coat.Its expensive but works great so far.

With the Mossie I managed to remove most of it with micro-mesh.Then I touched up very lightly with the Vallejo.It could be that I was spraying too heavy a coat of the stuff.But when I first started using it ,it didn't seem to matter how much I put on.

 

[Alan 45]

Thanks folks I appreciate It

I have decided to re-paint it and I've got a spare set of MKI spitfire decals I can put on so alls not lost

 

[monica]

despite the issue,with it Alan it all in all is not that bad looking with a muddy look to it,could be there

for any reason,its been raining and a bomb has gone off close too it,and it,s just covered in dust,

 

[Guest]

Despite the matt coat I like it, even with the matt coat I like it, it just looks won to me.

scott

 

[The Migrant]

Don't you just hate it when the last step of the build screws up the whole model (like that last piece of stencilling that silvers, or the aerial that snaps while you're putting the model on its base). It happens to us all Alan; it's a nice build regardless.

 

[Guest]

It's a nice little build Alan, especially taking into account that it's hardly a new-tool! (Probably was in 1974!)

If you do re-paint it, maybe fill that wingroot gap?

 

[Guest]

Looking at the new photo, the dullness is uniform, so (in logic, not always a reliable guide) it doesn't seem to be reacting with the weathering which is not uniform. Also, it looks like the varnish coat is slightly opaque. Perhaps the concentration of matting agent was too high. This might have been caused by the bottle not having been shaken enough the last time it had been used. This would have produced clear varnish which, when poured from the bottle would have left a higher concentration of matting agent in the varnish left in the bottle, so producing the opaque finish when that was used on your model. (A bit fanciful but its the only way I can think of.)

 

[Alan 45]

Well I manged to sort out my problems with this and I'm fairly pleased with it View attachment 97742

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[Guest]

Much better. Looks like the same kit with different insignia on the fuselage. What did you do, clean back to plastic and re-paint?

 

[The Migrant]

Yes, how did you resolve it Alan? Looks so much better now.

 

[Alan 45]

Cheers chaps all I did was repaint it , a very light rub with fine wet and dry just to remove any nibs then repaint and decal ,

How ever I did nt paint the underside, when I gave it a coat of gloss varnish on I noticed the colour of the paint come back to its original colour ,

 

[papa 695]

Just seen this one Alan pity about the Matt coat on the first attempt. Looks a lot better after the fix