discussion Caution

[Guest]

Well just a small caution I ended up in hospital with a thing called methemoglobinemia.


This I


Was due to a gradual build up from paint fumes glue etc due to model making even with a mask on.


It was so serious I was blue in colour and very ill indeed I was told that if I had slightly higher readings than I had I might have died subsequently I have now got liver function problems and ended up in hospital for a week so take care folks.

 

[Paul Davies]

Always make sure you are using a mask designed to filter fumes a dust mask wont do this.

 

[stona]

Good grief! I can only wish you a speedy recovery.


This is a cautionary tale. Ventilation or extraction as well as other protection are important. Minimise your exposure.


I speak with some expertise, having a background in organic chemistry and experience of using somewhat 'unpleasant' reagents. With reasonable precautions you should be able to avoid any problems as I have for the last 30 years, however everyone is different and obviously Ray has endured a very difficult experience.


Steve


edit: cross posted with Paul who makes a very good point about masks. It is important to buy the correct equipment to protect yourself.

 

[yak face]

Wow ! Glad to hear youre on the mend Ray , thanks for the heads up. I usually model with the shed door shut , I think I'll wedge it open now! I always use an extractor and a mask for spraying but when im just building I dont wear anything (I mean like a mask! I know what you were all thinking!) Is it something thats associated with anything in particular ie.certain solvents/glues etc.? cheers tony

 

[Paul Davies]

I use a face mask designed to filter fumes for short painting sessions. For longer spraying I have got a full face mask with filter on belt which provides fresh air over your face.

 

[Alan 45]

Jeez I hope you feel better soon Ray


This is a scary thing to hear so thanks for the info

 

[john i am]

I wish you a speedy recovery and thanks for the warning as I only use a mask myself for spraying in my loft!


I will now seriously consider an extractor. Thanks John

 

[Paul Davies]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B000VDPNCQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1438540748&sr=8-1π=AC_SY200_QL40&keywords=paint+fume+mask&dpPl=1&dpID=41ONerTwKsL&ref=plSrch

 

[Guest]

Blimey Ray!


Strange thing is I airbrushed for the first time today without a mask on as "it was only a quick touch up job", not anymore I'm not.


Mind you I did use my extract system to get rid of the fumes.


What mask are you using? I always use a 3M half face mask (3M 4255) with FFA2P3 protection.


http://catalogue.3m.eu/en_GB/GB-Marine/Half_Face_&_Full_Face_Respirator/Half_Face_Masks/4000_Series~Maintenance_Free_Half_Mask_Respirator~nocode/Maintenance_Free_Half_Mask_Respirator~4255


I'm no scientist but apparently it covers you for paint spraying and organic vapours and I've never smelt any vapours or chemicals whilst wearing it so guess it's doing it's job.


Steve, do you reckon the protection level on this mask is OK for what we're doing?


They do offer 2 more levels of protection in the range but it's to protect against inorganic gases, acids gases & ammonia which looking at the list on 3M's spec are for metal etching, metal pickling and refrigeration work.


Get better soon Ray.


Atb.

 

[monica]

oh my,do wish you a speedy recovery,Ray,

 

[Paul Davies]

Blimey Ray!
Strange thing is I airbrushed for the first time today without a mask on as "it was only a quick touch up job", not anymore I'm not.


Mind you I did use my extract system to get rid of the fumes.


What mask are you using? I always use a 3M half face mask (3M 4255) with FFA2P3 protection.


http://catalogue.3m.eu/en_GB/GB-Marine/Half_Face_&_Full_Face_Respirator/Half_Face_Masks/4000_Series~Maintenance_Free_Half_Mask_Respirator~nocode/Maintenance_Free_Half_Mask_Respirator~4255


I'm no scientist but apparently it covers you for paint spraying and organic vapours and I've never smelt any vapours or chemicals whilst wearing it so guess it's doing it's job.


Steve, do you reckon the protection level on this mask is OK for what we're doing?


They do offer 2 more levels of protection in the range but it's to protect against inorganic gases, acids gases & ammonia which looking at the list on 3M's spec are for metal etching, metal pickling and refrigeration work.


Get better soon Ray.


Atb.

I use the same mask it is designed for paint spraying

 

[Guest]

Jeeze dude, hope your doing good.


I've noticed that the a1 filter on my mask can get over powered on a full body spray and I'm going to make a new booth soon.


I was literally just about to buy an A2 filter. I have now noticed that opening zero paints and cleaners gives me a sore throat straight away and ive never sprayed without a mask or without the door open and booth running.


I hope to hell your ok and myself too. Paranoid as hell now

 

[eddiesolo]

Bloody hell Ray! Hope you're okay...a warning indeed. I use a mask and the AB booth fan running when painting and glueing, but after what you said, just do a bit and leave for it vent properly before doing more.


Take it easy mate.

 

[rickoshea52]

I was cutting some plasticard today when the blade of my scalpel snapped and hit me on the forehead with no damage done fortunately. I'm thinking of wearing my prescription safety spectacles from now on when modelling. Safety first boys and girls.

 

[Paul Davies]

http://www.srsafety.com/products/ansiktsdelar-till-sr-500-och-srsr-700/skarm-sr-540


Use this for long spraying or if a lot of dust is going to be made. Got filters for dust and fumes. Swap them depending on job

 

[takeslousyphotos]

Wow ........ That's scary. Glad you are on the mend Ray.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for all the replies folks I am on the mend now but need to keep an eye on my blood oxygen as it is still not right I use a 3m mask and ventilation but apparently that is still not enough I was told it was benzene or similar that caused it mainly and comes from certain paints Inc acrylics, the thing is it builds up slowly with no warnings until one day your body has had enough so no model building for me for at least a fortnight.

 

[Guest]

Hope you feel better mate. I normally work in the garage with the back garage open, so it flows through. That way the fumes don't hang around


John

 

[grumpa]

This is what I use, and I don't even use an airbrushView attachment 116065

glad your feeling better and remember guys, "lets be careful out there"View attachment 229088

 

[flyjoe180]

Hope you're on the mend Ray. A good precautionary reminder to us all.