discussion Ian M's plan B

[Ian M]

As I have a slight problem with the 17lb'er I posted in the other thread I will be turning to plan B; A 17/25pounder Pheasant with a Ford Quad tractor.

It turns out that the 17 didn't see much action in the desert and the quad didn't pull it around in Europe. Not wishing to blow the better part of £80 just to build a Crusader gun tractor, I Had a change of plan.

So here are the sprue shots of the 17/25 and the quad.

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So there you have it. I will make a start some time soon.

Ian M

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[Centurion3RTR]

And this is why i ordered one of them hold and fold thingys from John, i have the Quad gun tractor too mate. There is a lot of PE for the money Ian, i can't wait to get stuck into mine. But i'm going to see what you do first lol.

Have fun, John

 

[Ian M]

The Fun begins, First the Pheasant

Sorry Grand dad, I mean John. You'll have to wait a bit yet, I started the gun first. Sorry. You are very correct about the Quad tractor, loads of PE, (but not as much as the Gerpard!!!)

Right, found the good specs and after two and a half hours I had built the barrel, the recoil thingy and the breach. Also one of the supports and sight....

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Please note the scalpel blade for size comparison!! Would it sound pretentious if I just add that the breach actually works!!! Pull the leaver and the block lowers!!! Sweet!

The sight and bracket was fun. There are 6 bits of PE on there somewhere!!!

Well my eyes are shot for today!

Ian M

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[Guest]

Plan B works for me

a working breach???... very impressive

Nicely done sir ....

I've seen that Tractor unit made up a couple of times and it's a good looker when done.

 

[Ian M]

Right then. A lazy Sunday and loads of time to stick plastic...

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I got the second half of the gun sights sorted and got the mounts together... So we almost have the 17lb'er. Time for some 25lb'er

For those that dont know, Pheasant was the code name for the British's new toy. A New 17lb anti tank gun. To get the weapon out as quickly as possible to help the chaps in North Africa with popping holes in Tiger tanks, the gun was mounted on the, then abundant 25lb field gun carriage. Thus the 17/25 part of the name. History lesson over, back to the build.

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Thee detail in this carriage is well nice. (I now plan to add Bronco's 25lb'er to the stash!) Some very fiddly PE and plastic the size of a pin head but that's part of the fun, in'it.

The last photo I have just placed the gun on the carriage to get the general look in my head.

Next is the shield and all the lose bits....and there are lots of them!

Ian M

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[papa 695]

Some great work there Ian the PE realy makes the differance, Watching this unfold

 

[Guest]

Looking like you have some nice detail there Ian

 

[Ian M]

Sun was shining today! No Honest! So was out in the garden and getting the car MOT'ed (passed with out problems glad to say)!

Only managed a couple of hours on and off.

Still I got the carriage 99% done just a couple of bits to go. Even more tiny PE. In the photo you can see in the instructions a reference to PE13, some tiny handles. They are ca. 0,5 wide, 6mm long and should be bent four times to form the grab and fixing points.... Kind of gave up on that after I totally destroyed the first two and lost the next two, (they'll probably turn up in Lauries tomato beds) so I made them out of wire, drilled a couple of holes and Roberts is your mothers brother! Handles.

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Might get this in the paint booth tomorrow...

Ian M

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[Ian M]

Might be just a tad to warm to paint today. its got to be 30 C today!!!

Any way, got the turn table done today whist hiding in the shade.

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So all the main parts are now ready for some primer!!!

Just saw that I missed two tiny teeny little PE handles on the mount for the turn table... bum!

Ian M

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[Ian M]

Well it's a lot cooler now, so the Pheasant is now primed. I used Alclad primer for this one as it is nice and fine and we didn't want to drown all that lovely detail do we...

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So while that cures I made a start on the Quad. Actually quite a simple build by the looks of it. Even the PE is reasonably straight forward. (yeah)!

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Got the tyres scrubbed off and the axles stuck together, a quick clean up and they are good to go. Actually for what is after all an older kit the parts are showing only minimal flash. A few of the seam lines are a bit heavy, but nowt that a Swann and Morten #11 cant take care of. Those tanks are going to need a bit of a sand and a swipe of filler.... nasty.

Ian M

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[mossiepilot]

Looking good Ian, I'm watching with interest.

Tony.

 

[Guest]

very well detailed eh?

Like what you've got so far ... lets hope the sanding and filling stays at a minimum

 

[Ian M]

Cheers Chaps.

Got an hour in today before it started to get to hot.

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I got the checker plate down on the floor of the quad, and the stop and go pedals sorted as well. Had a few probs getting the plate to stick. Can Gator Grip be to old?

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The dash has also been swapped out for a PE part. The seats. I thought I had to give them the foil treatment. I think its worked, when they are 100% dry I will trim them to the frames.

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Last but not least, some of the fiddly bits ready for primer.

Ian M

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[Guest]

I take it the Gator Grip is the acrylic polymer glue? if so then extremes of temp can affect it as it can depolymerise and "seperate" (possibly same as Tonys PVA he bought recently).

That tin foil effect on the seats will look the business methinks, not tried this effect out yet and i forgot to do it in the M10 i'm doing for this build like a plonka.

lastly i'm gradually getting more and more impressed with this PE stuff as it's being produced now .... very sharpe and crisp, certainly adds a certain "something" to the build.

 

[Ian M]

PE here and PE there

Well I thought the weather was better today but I was wrong, CA drying up quicker than I can use it!

He are the results of last night and today's battle.

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Last night I thought that the U bolts that hold the axles in place, looked a bit naff, the U part that was moulded to the Axle din not meet with the strait parts moulded onto the leaf springs. So shaved and sanded them off, drilled the mounting plates and made some U-bolts out of brass wire. Looks a bit better. I think so any way.

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Next up was the grill, not not the BBQ the radiator grill. Rather than just stick the PE one over the kit one as I have seen many do, I cut the plastic grill out of the kit part and put the PE one over the rather large hole that was left. This lead to the discovery that the kit has no radiator! Odd as the engine is quite well detailed. Sooo I made a radiator out of the cut out grill and a few bits of plastic card. And it fits as well! I checked.

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Here is a quick over view of the last session, The Front bumper was fun, I had a mad moment of putting things the wrong way round! The doors have had a cross brace added, as I have seen a few do this. If it's accurate or not ? Just think it adds a bit to the otherwise boring door. LOADS of latches and catches where cut off and twice as many tiny bits of PE put on in their place.

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Seats ready for primer. Look OK should be good with a bit of paint.

Ian M

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[geegad]

Looking quality Ian lots of pe I see...and love the foil seats adds so much detail when there painted you made the right choise with the foil...keep the pics coming

 

[Guest]

It's a piece of goldwork!!! How many details!!!

This plan B, Ian, is fantastic!! And the seats it is a great idea, genially.

Cheers. Polux

 

[Guest]

Bit of scratch building happening then Ian

Looks great so far mate, that radiators a cracking little extra detail.

 

[Ian M]

Boy I do pick 'em don't I.

Not a major problem, but a problem.

You see The quad I am building was from the stand alone kit from Tamiya and the Pheasant from an other kit. Problem is whole the Quads (which should be a Morris!) towed the gun, they had to use the limber as there was no room for ammo in the truck. So as I have the full quad with gun and limber in the stash I nicked the limber out of that one. Now the funny thing is that in this set the limber does not have the option of open doors, that is only in the kit that has just the gun and limber!!!!

So this leads to the problem. My Original Idea was the gun and limber in firing position and the quad close by... Its now going to be built under tow.

I thought about trying to open the doors up, but way past me to scratch build all the ammo trays and inner door details....

Happy days.

Paint is its way so thats always some thing.

Ian M

 

[Ian M]

Limbering up.

Spent most of last night surfing the net for inspiration/proof/ideas.

What I found out was very interesting but will mean that this build is not particularly historically correct!!! This will get done for the SIG, and then as time passes I will get it right.

Just a small matter of either buying or building a Morris C8.

'Nuff twaddle,

The build.

Built the limber and as I had it did the PE on it as well.

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Just the bits on the doors to do but I Was running out of places to hold it.

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... time for a fishing trip over the weekend now!!

Ian M

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