discussion Jens (Muttley) take on Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines - way outside my comfort zone... ;)

[Guest]

Jens (Muttley) take on Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines - way outside my comfort zone...

After seeing all of your plans for this fantastic GB my initial plan of building a big scratch built balsa wood and rice paper plane didn't seem right so I've taken a 180 and gone down the plastic hole too.
The weeks I've spent in AutoCAD for designing the parts to be laser cut out of balsa wood sheets are not in vain because I quite fancy building one of them again since I built my last in 1989, but this one will be in plastic!

Here's my new donor plane:

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It'll be heavily modified and I've now thought up another two "pigeon catching/eradicating devices" since the ones I planned to use have already been listed by you guys.
I feel it's more interesting if we make different ones - but which one I'm making will be a secret for a little bit longer...

I hope there's plenty of medals?!?!

Woff woff! (or perhaps wöff wöff since it's a Swedish donor plane... hehe... )

Now catch the pigeon!

/Muttley

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[Guest]

Nice model Jens. Looks an excellent base to start on!

 

[yak face]

Thanks for joining in Jens , looks like a great donor kit , cheers tony

 

[flyjoe180]

That's a cool looking kit ripe for pigeon-conversion Jens.

 

[Guest]

Here's the contents of my donor kit to comply to the rules.
I kinda expected more but it is a suitable kit for my plans!

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I'm contemplating how to make duplicate wing parts the simplest way and at the moment I'm thinking to either press the parts into clay and then press heated styrene into the clay or make a plaster mould doing the same?
We'll see when I start attacking the project...

I've got two ideas for pigeon-catching-contraptions but I'll keep them secret until revealed

Woof woof
Muttley

 

[yak face]

I'm making duplicate wings for mine using plastic card Jens. I traced the outline of the wing then cut it out , then traced another but made it slightly bigger front to back . I'm going to glue the bigger one to the smaller one at the front edge first , then when dry bend the top piece till the back edge meets and glue and clamp this. Hopefully it'll make a curved top section and not be too flat . This probably sounds unfathomable so I'll show you on my thread later ! cheers tony

 

[Guest]

I'm making duplicate wings for mine using plastic card Jens. I traced the outline of the wing then cut it out , then traced another but made it slightly bigger front to back . I'm going to glue the bigger one to the smaller one at the front edge first , then when dry bend the top piece till the back edge meets and glue and clamp this. Hopefully it'll make a curved top section and not be too flat . This probably sounds unfathomable so I'll show you on my thread later ! cheers tony

This was my first idea too but the wings in the box are so well detailed and you can see the canvas drape/sag on the ribs and making duplicate wings without these details will look wrong.
One alternative is to scrap the box wings and make all new ones from scratch, but since I like the ones in the kit so much this feels stupid...

I hope cutting out blanks and heating these in a clay/whatever mould (and pushing down) could hopefully pick up the details?

In a way this is the most fun GB for me since I'm so far outside my comfort zone that I have to reinvent the wheel for every step, but this means I have to use every bit of creativity too! :smiling:

I will check your build thread to see how you go about making yours to hopefully pick up some pointers and ideas! :thumb2:

 

[papa 695]

Looks a nice donor kit Jens, but I've got a funny feeling it's not going to end up looking like that. :hungry:
Looking forward to watching this come together.

 

[yak face]

I used a biro to draw on the underside of the plastic card to simulate the ribs . Until its painted im not sure how its going to look though

 

[Gern]

I'm making duplicate wings for mine using plastic card Jens. I traced the outline of the wing then cut it out , then traced another but made it slightly bigger front to back . I'm going to glue the bigger one to the smaller one at the front edge first , then when dry bend the top piece till the back edge meets and glue and clamp this. Hopefully it'll make a curved top section and not be too flat . This probably sounds unfathomable so I'll show you on my thread later ! cheers tony

Would it help to fix a small rod along the centre of the wing to provide another gluing edge and support the centre?

 

[yak face]

Yes that would work great dave , if only i’d thought of that before i glued the two pieces together :tired::tired:

 

[Gern]

Yes that would work great dave , if only i’d thought of that before i glued the two pieces together :tired::tired:

Story of my life Tony! I'm always coming up with ideas too late.

 

[Guest]

I decided to make a plaster mould of the upper wing so I can form plasticard with a hot air gun and hopefully pick up some details apart from the contour, but the air bubbles that got trapped under the wing needs filling and I doubt any details will be visible.
I can scratch in deeper details but I'll see what I'll do for the first test?
I'm having fun and that's a win regardless!

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[papa 695]

Rather than using plaster try some modeling clay, then there shouldn't be any bubbles Jens.

 

[Guest]

Rather than using plaster try some modeling clay, then there shouldn't be any bubbles Jens.

I'm fixing the bubbles with air drying clay but it's so damn expensive that I opted for cheap plaster instead for the mould. I don't even know if it's going to work so I didn't want to waste all of my expensive diorama clay...

Also plaster dries in under an hour whereas the modelling clay takes a couple of days - and I'm not the most patient one
If I was going to make a whole bunch then I'd spend a bit more effort in making a better mould but for a one off plaster felt like the best option, to start with anyway...

 

[papa 695]

Yes I can see what you mean Jens, Looking forward to seeing the results, lets hope there good.

 

[Guest]

This looks interesting think I'll follow the show.

 

[Guest]

I've had some success with the mould but I'm using far too thick plasticard/styrene sheet to pick up the detail of the ribs...
Well, it was worth a try.
I could build a small jig for vacuum forming the wing instead but it's going to require a powerful vacuum pump considering the thick styrene I'm using so the easiest option is to wing it (pun intended ) and shape it by hand, with heat and sanding.

I've got plenty of time to tinker with this until the Panther is done so I don't mind these little side projects to make the parts I need. In fact this is the best way to learn new stuff and not worry about the failures!

 

[flyjoe180]

Wow, liking this work so far Jens.