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Just a thought Polux and if anyone wants to jump in and disagree then feel free. I would have painted the base colours on the undersides, then the colours on the upper surfaces and then done the washes over them both at the same time. You might generate a demarcation in the washes by doing everything to a completed finish with the masking still in place, whereas doing the washes last would help to blend the different colours.
As always just throwing a thought into the mix.
As always just throwing a thought into the mix.
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Today has been a long day Francesco\ said:
Today I have invert more than one hour to finish only one wing...
Tomorrow I will post a photo. I like how it looks, but will wait for all your opinions and advices.
Thanks
See you tomorrow
So what you really mean is you've done something and it's absolutely fantastic , you know that we are going to love it mate , you shouldn't be so modest\ said:Today has been a long day Francesco
Tomorrow I will post a photo. I like how it looks, but will wait for all your opinions and advices.
Thanks
See you tomorrow
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I don't exactly how to respond that, Richard....I have doubts...\ said:
I know you are not questioning my work, maybe you are waiting for a solid and convincing reply "why I do that"!
Sorry, but I'm still on the idea that every colour is a different "subject" and needs different weathering. Not a simple wash for all the set. Anyway I do some mistakes on the threads....I always use the term "wash", and many times, they are filters. The different between them is the filter don't "make lose" the previous effect.
The other problem are the photos. I shot them the best I can, but many of the effect on the model is losing by the light of the lamps
The last reason is the preshade...
Oh my God!! I will have problems now....
I think the preshade is an easy, clean and showy way to create a visual effect to difference the panel lines on our models.... But is really this effect, a real and good one? On the major part of the pics (real planes) on the forum I don't see it....
Just was trying to create a different effect, because the plane is more bigger and think she needs more....
Very important!! That not means my opinion is the correct or the best one
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I'm not modest...is just I was wishing to go bed\ said:So what you really mean is you've done something and it's absolutely fantastic , you know that we are going to love it mate , you shouldn't be so modest
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I'm certainly not questioning Polux, just offering discussion. There are always a number of ways of achieving the effects we desire and I fully understand your reasoning. Your underside is looking beautiful so there is no question that it is a technique that works!
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I have been thinking about your answer Polux and I suspect that we are both on the same page anyway but it might be worth trying to clarify for anyone else listening in.
I agree with you as regards the use of filters to enhance particular colours, textures and surfaces and which is why it makes sense to keep the masking in place to do that. My mind wandered over to washes rather than filters, which is where I still see the need for effects that go over colour demarcations. I always try to weather in a similar manner to whatever created the effect in real life. For instance a ship's hull will have salt, grime and rust streaks that will go right across the hull colour, the boot topping and the below waterline colour, as you can maybe see here:
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For these I would do washes and effects that are dragged vertically across the surfaces, probably starting as things like wash ports or openings in structures. Similarly aircraft will have paint fading effects as well as some dirt as a result of rain that will streak this effect across different colours but these effects are over the filters that have been applied to enhance the colours in the first place, which is what you are doing now.
I'm sure when you have finished your Stuka is going to look stunning.
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I agree with you as regards the use of filters to enhance particular colours, textures and surfaces and which is why it makes sense to keep the masking in place to do that. My mind wandered over to washes rather than filters, which is where I still see the need for effects that go over colour demarcations. I always try to weather in a similar manner to whatever created the effect in real life. For instance a ship's hull will have salt, grime and rust streaks that will go right across the hull colour, the boot topping and the below waterline colour, as you can maybe see here:
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For these I would do washes and effects that are dragged vertically across the surfaces, probably starting as things like wash ports or openings in structures. Similarly aircraft will have paint fading effects as well as some dirt as a result of rain that will streak this effect across different colours but these effects are over the filters that have been applied to enhance the colours in the first place, which is what you are doing now.
I'm sure when you have finished your Stuka is going to look stunning.
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Good points Richard, and for anyone attempting the sort of streaking caused by weather to aircraft on the ground (where they typically spent most of their time) remember that vertical means vertical down the aircraft's surfaces when it is sitting on its undercarriage !
The same sort of thing caused in flight, like exhaust staining, can follow quite surprising paths due to the airflow over the aircraft's surface. Any streaking, exhaust or otherwise, may very well not be directly towards the rear. There is no substitute for a decent photo to get this right.
Cheers
Steve
The same sort of thing caused in flight, like exhaust staining, can follow quite surprising paths due to the airflow over the aircraft's surface. Any streaking, exhaust or otherwise, may very well not be directly towards the rear. There is no substitute for a decent photo to get this right.
Cheers
Steve
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The promise update
The "pin Wash" on the panel lines is only on the left wing....maybe is so subtle?
For me looks Ok
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The "pin Wash" on the panel lines is only on the left wing....maybe is so subtle?
For me looks Ok
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Thanks Richard and Steve.
I'm agree with you Ricahrd, we are on the same page
(Just my apologies if I can express well enough my view points for a good discussion
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Remains some work to do on this lower side yet. The oil streaks and others weathering effects! And bombs
Wow! what a nice photo.....
PS: THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO BUILD ON A NEAR FUTURE
I'm agree with you Ricahrd, we are on the same page
(Just my apologies if I can express well enough my view points for a good discussion
)Remains some work to do on this lower side yet. The oil streaks and others weathering effects! And bombs
Wow! what a nice photo.....
PS: THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO BUILD ON A NEAR FUTURE
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Those last days we are talking about filters and washes....
Maybe we can post a thread with all kind of explications and tips.
Any takers..? If not, I can do one and maybe Ian M or another moderator can help me to correct the text before...
Alan, the washes are always apply with brush
I try sometimes on the airbrush and it's not the same.
Maybe we can post a thread with all kind of explications and tips.
Any takers..? If not, I can do one and maybe Ian M or another moderator can help me to correct the text before...
Alan, the washes are always apply with brush
I try sometimes on the airbrush and it's not the same.
How do you make the wash look like that ?\ said:Those last days we are talking about filters and washes....Maybe we can post a thread with all kind of explications and tips.
Any takers..? If not, I can do one and maybe Ian M or another moderator can help me to correct the text...
Alan, the washes are always apply with brush
I try sometimes on the airbrush and it's not the same.
Mine always need dry brushing to matt in the edge which is very difficult to get a natural look
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Hi Alan!
This last wash is, as Trey teach me, a "pin wash". We only add the paint on the lines and rivets. You only need patience and a very fine brush O/4.
Anyway what kind of wash you use? Acrylic or enamel? They work all different
This last wash is, as Trey teach me, a "pin wash". We only add the paint on the lines and rivets. You only need patience and a very fine brush O/4.
Anyway what kind of wash you use? Acrylic or enamel? They work all different
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Coming along nicely Polux! I know somewhere in the tutoral section of the forum there is a thread about washes and such,been a long time ago since I saw it tho.
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Hi Alan!\ said:
There is an interesting article from Richard talking about washes!
http://www.scale-models.co.uk/community/threads/a-simple-and-basic-wash-tutortial.11245/
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Alan, in that a wash is thinned paint, a filter is tinted thinner. Take a quantity of thinner & add a brush with your desired filter colour, stir the thinner so the brush is clean & there's your filter!\ said:
If I was doing late German armour in a 3 colour scheme, I'd add a brown filter over the matt paint. This 'ties' the 3 colours together.
It's vital to apply a filter onto matt paint, otherwise it'll run off the surface.
There's a good article explaining it better than I can here
http://www.missing-lynx.com/rare_world/rw02.htm
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