discussion out the tin Azure?

[Guest]

I need to do the 1/32 P-40b 's bottom Azure for RAF desert scheme.

Is there any "out the tin" standard color I can get from Humbrol, Tamiya, lifecolor or even if I need to acrylic that is close to Azure without mixing?

Thanx

Theuns

 

[Ian M]

I thing Humbrol 157 is the one you want. Some people say its a bit dark....

Ian M

 

[stona]

There's an interesting thread here.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/51881-blue-blue-my-love-is-azure-blue-now-with-the-new-humbrol-157/

Humbrol 157 is way too dark in my opinion. You will have to mix and for me a 5:1 mix of Hu 34 : Hu 14 gives the closest match.

Out of the tin White Ensign do the best match, but I lighten that a little.

Cheers

Steve

 

[yak face]

Hi theuns , a lot of people say that Humbrol 157 is too grey and maybe a bit dark. Judging for myself from looking at colour pics (although these are always prone to interpretation regarding colour), I'd agree , Ive used Vallejo Game Colour Steel Grey 72 102 on my Tomahawk and it looks like the pics to me , cheers tony

p.s heres a link with some useful pics of 112 Sqn aircraft , have a look and judge for yourself , cheers tony http://raf-112-squadron.org/112_photos_page_4.html

 

[flyjoe180]

Humbrol 157 Azure does look too dark to me too, I experimented with Humbrol 109 (WW1 blue) and a touch of dark grey (can't recall the colour) and that turned out okay, maybe a little on the light side, but I guess it's all open to interpretation anyway. The official colour was British Standard BSC381c 104 or ANA609.

For your reference the options for 'out of the tin' are:

Humbrol 157

Testors Azure Blue

Xtracolor 26

Valejo 902

 

[Gern]

Have you read through that post from Britmodeller that Steve found? What a nightmare!

Gern

 

[flyjoe180]

It is a nightmare by the looks of it Dave. Here was the result of my mix if anyone is interested, I think it was a little light.

http://www.scale-models.co.uk/threads/1-72-hawker-hurricane-iid.18406/#post159513

 

[Guest]

Thanx for the replies guys, I can not figure out why such a "standard" color would be so hard to get pre-mixed!

It does however then also cause anyone to diss-proove my model's color hardship ;-)

Of all the mixes, HU 157 to HU 34 seems the easiest.

Theuns

 

[BarryW]

Theuns, Vallejo Model Air UK Azur (108) is what I used. Another shade of Azur used in the Med is also represented by UK Mediterranean Blue (111).

 

[Guest]

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idea of 157 and some white. What do you guys recon?
Theuns

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[stona]

Honestly? I think it's too grey and not blue enough but it's hard to tell from a photo. I think a little bluer gets you in the ball park called 'close enough'.

Cheers

Steve

 

[flyjoe180]

And all this before anyone brings up scale colour...

 

[Guest]

Yes, you are right I think, maybe a few drops of deep blue or even pruple?

Theuns

 

[Guest]

Well, I know it is not correct, but I am not going to re-paint it now. I think for me (and having no real colorchips to compare) it is close enough.

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[Guest]

. The official colour was British Standard BSC381c 104 or ANA609.

This is an oft-quoted misconception; British Standards had no input with wartime colours, which were the exclusive province of Farnborough, under the auspices of the Air Ministry. ANA colours were the sole responsibility of the U.S., and were to their own standards.

In 1940, Middle East Command requested a colour for their undersides (enclosing a sample,) and Farnborough were given the job of providing the mix, which they did. Azure Blue is actually quite a light shade, and it's believed that Humbrol's original colour was mistakenly matched to the post-war B.S. colour. Light Mediterranean Blue is also a completely separate (and darker) colour, which had no relationship to Azure Blue, whatsoever. In 1943, aircraft heading for the desert were ordered to have Azure Blue undersides, while those going through Malta were to have Light Mediterranean Blue.

The "nightmare" on Britmodeller is the result of genuine enthusiasts trying to make sense of a fiendishly difficult subject.

Edgar

 

[flyjoe180]

This is an oft-quoted misconception; British Standards had no input with wartime colours, which were the exclusive province of Farnborough, under the auspices of the Air Ministry. ANA colours were the sole responsibility of the U.S., and were to their own standards.In 1940, Middle East Command requested a colour for their undersides (enclosing a sample,) and Farnborough were given the job of providing the mix, which they did. Azure Blue is actually quite a light shade, and it's believed that Humbrol's original colour was mistakenly matched to the post-war B.S. colour. Light Mediterranean Blue is also a completely separate (and darker) colour, which had no relationship to Azure Blue, whatsoever. In 1943, aircraft heading for the desert were ordered to have Azure Blue undersides, while those going through Malta were to have Light Mediterranean Blue.

The "nightmare" on Britmodeller is the result of genuine enthusiasts trying to make sense of a fiendishly difficult subject.

Edgar

Well there you go then, even the stated standards are wrong. Thanks for the info and corrections Edgar.

Theuns, back to the build, it's looking good mate, I think that colour would pass for the azure we seek.