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[Guest]

John.
Like the other lads have written, I'm so sorry to read of your troubles...

Just unbelievable!

What a great bunch of folks you know who are willing to drop everything to try and help out.

I hope it all gets sorted for you in double quick time.

Best wishes to you and Christine.

Ron

Thanks Ron, as you know the comrade ship from friends in the trade has been great, of course they will get paid straight way, any one form the agents can bloody wait till the end of the month !

 

[Guest]

Sorry to hear of this John, not the best thing to find in a property you rent out,

When we bought our current house, we couldn't understand why we found a water feed system in the loft, didn't think much of it to be honest,...we honestly thought it was there to top up the central heating system, ..(.I didn't know much about boiler / central heating systems etc at that time ), so when we replaced the boiler we had it all torn out and capped off, and happily carried on with our lives.

fast forward to a few years later, whilst B&Q were ripping out the kitchen to replace it, we discovered a load of well hidden electrical cabling near the mains consumer board in the kitchen, this was connected to the mains 'before' the meter, this cabling had been cut off but left where it was installed, so it wasn't drawing any power,
the electrician upon checking this out ..(he was installing a new ring main for the kitchen appliances), he told us this was done to bypass the meter and so wouldn't be charged for and more importantly illegal,

it all pointed to the 'growing of cannabis', which then made perfect sense why the irrigation system was in the loft,

We were informed that he should now stop work and report it to the police and electricity board who would come and carry out an investigation leading to potential criminal charges being made against us, but seeing as the cable was had clearly been installed many years ago...it was the old colour cables, he did us a 'solid' and rectified all the wiring and accepting that honestly knew nothing about the dodgy wiring didn't report it to the police or electricity board.

this is just one of the many dodgy things we found that had been done in the house prior to us buying it.

A sign of the times I think Chris, seems from the cleaner that the decorator met this morning its happens all the time.

 

[Guest]

Surprising! Letting agents should be liable for any damage - due diligence & regular property checks not carried out. Our German friends will soon be able to grow their own - up to 3 plants per household for personal use. That would certainly cut down on cannabis farms - I think a lot of other countries are watching with interest......................
Dave

You would think so, but they had done a walk through check and sent photos about 3 weeks before, it looked perfect. Of course they will wriggle out of any suggestion they didn't comply with any lack of care. I just want rid of the place now, can't mention it say on FB or they would sue. I will have my say when all is finished to the area director.

 

[Guest]

My brother-in-law was an electrician and one of his mates asked him to re-wire his terraced house. When he went up into the loft he found that doorways had been cut into all the attic dividing walls and there were about eight Asian families living there!

Bloody hell Dave.

 

[Guest]

Sorry to hear this my old friend hope you and Christine get back on track soon. Dave

Thanks Dave , Christine is very upset, just have to wait for things to be done and then call it a day and sell .

 

[Guest]

Hi John

Just seen this. Very sorry to hear about what's happened. Obviously hope you get it sorted out quickly.

Are you able to claim on the insurance for any of it?

ATB

Andrew

Thanks Andrew, yes will claim on my insurance for some of it, you know what insurance companies can be like. The last time I had to claim they were very good and quick.
The agents have said they will pursue the woman and claim back from her. Of course PIGS FLY, if she doesn't pay they will get nothing. Full of bull shit when I comes to outlining the legal steps they will take.

 

[Guest]

Thank you so much everyone, I hope I've replied to you all.
Got to accept that its happened and things are now moving to put it all right.
Have tried to do some modelling, painting wise, but find I loose interest very quickly, need to get a grip and put it out of my mind, which is hard.

On ward .:angry:

 

[Waspie]

Wow John. I thought I had it bad once just living next door to a (insert own words). We only had plod and their hit team out side our place!! Plod certainly aren't good at clearing up after themselves I can vouch for that!!

Hope your troubles get sorted real soon John, can't have been nice for you.

 

[stillp]

I'm gutted for you John, I hope you can get it over and done with quickly.
Pete

 

[Peter Gillson]

Sorry to hear about this - amazing and dreadful events.

 

[boatman]

YES John an Christine jen says take it a day at a time an we hope you both can stop worryin as not your fault so best wishes for a good outcome on this from us an our thoughts are with you both
chris an jen

 

[Airborne01]

Indeed Steve, but probely get a slap on the wrist and community service.

OOh, that's harsh - he probably lost his teddy bear at the age of 13 and has been irrevocably mentally scarred as a result!
Steve

 

[Si Benson]

Blimey what a thing to happen John!

Like the guys have said, I hope you can get the whole episode dealt with and out of the way quickly.

Seems to be a sign of the times as we’ve had a few of these cannabis factories discovered around our way In the last few years.

 

[Guest]

My brother-in-law was an electrician and one of his mates asked him to re-wire his terraced house. When he went up into the loft he found that doorways had been cut into all the attic dividing walls and there were about eight Asian families living there!

Only eight!!! Should come to Luton...

 

[Guest]

What happened to John and Christine is deplorable and inexcusable.
The criminals will get away with all the damage they have caused, and I do not mean the dope growers, I mean the heavy-handed useless things that sit around in their brightly coloured disability cars posing with their hands either on their bra's or in their pockets and use any excuse in the world to justify their actions - and when caught out turn to page three of the excuse manual and plead "We will all learn from our mistakes...."
Like John, he knew the person through the letting agent only as a business transaction. Last July I knew my attacker only through a confrontation a pensioner neighbour had with ferral brats over kicking their football against her outside wall. And despite naming this gutless wnaker, telling the useless ones where he lived, they did nothing and have done nothing....
Over the years I have lost all respect for the police and justice system, it has been gradually eroded away with their constant harrassment of truck drivers, car drivers who they see as a cheap form of income and a good way to boost their end of month arrest records down to the theives and worse just being allowed to walk free or be handed down ludicrous minor sentances, which sadly in Johns case will be the usual mouthpeice of a solicitor and then the weak thirty something middle class social worker who will plead that the dope grower was from a broken home, mothers only income was from her nightly customers, daddy was on his toes the minute pregnancy was said, there was no social connection only the ipad, slyvirg tv package, xbox, weekly visits to the foodbank and the hundred£ in Universal Credit just does not stretch far enough......
And again the victim will be looked at as the perpetrator as John will and as I did.... Did John deserve this, and did I deserve this....

This was taken ten minutes after my attack.

 

[Guest]

Wow John. I thought I had it bad once just living next door to a (insert own words). We only had plod and their hit team out side our place!! Plod certainly aren't good at clearing up after themselves I can vouch for that!!

Hope your troubles get sorted real soon John, can't have been nice for you

Thanks Doug. The police have cost me at least £1600 for a door, when removing a lower sealed unit in the front door would have been just as good. When my mother was burgled in the same house a few years ago they were hopeless, even telling her not to let any one in by the door. She was very quick to remind them in some rather unlady like terms that the burglar came through a window !

I'm gutted for you John, I hope you can get it over and done with quickly.
Pete

Thanks Pete.

Sorry to hear about this - amazing and dreadful events.

Thanks Peter ,it was like a nightmare.

OOh, that's harsh - he probably lost his teddy bear at the age of 13 and has been irrevocably mentally scarred as a result!
Steve

He'd loose more than his teddy bare I can tell you.

Blimey what a thing to happen John!

Like the guys have said, I hope you can get the whole episode dealt with and out of the way quickly.

Seems to be a sign of the times as we’ve had a few of these cannabis factories discovered around our way In the last few years.

Yes Si, and thanks for the comment. Now insurances companies have reduced the amount they will pay out for damage caused by this happening.

What happened to John and Christine is deplorable and inexcusable.
The criminals will get away with all the damage they have caused, and I do not mean the dope growers, I mean the heavy-handed useless things that sit around in their brightly coloured disability cars posing with their hands either on their bra's or in their pockets and use any excuse in the world to justify their actions - and when caught out turn to page three of the excuse manual and plead "We will all learn from our mistakes...."
Like John, he knew the person through the letting agent only as a business transaction. Last July I knew my attacker only through a confrontation a pensioner neighbour had with ferral brats over kicking their football against her outside wall. And despite naming this gutless wnaker, telling the useless ones where he lived, they did nothing and have done nothing....
Over the years I have lost all respect for the police and justice system, it has been gradually eroded away with their constant harrassment of truck drivers, car drivers who they see as a cheap form of income and a good way to boost their end of month arrest records down to the theives and worse just being allowed to walk free or be handed down ludicrous minor sentances, which sadly in Johns case will be the usual mouthpeice of a solicitor and then the weak thirty something middle class social worker who will plead that the dope grower was from a broken home, mothers only income was from her nightly customers, daddy was on his toes the minute pregnancy was said, there was no social connection only the ipad, slyvirg tv package, xbox, weekly visits to the foodbank and the hundred£ in Universal Credit just does not stretch far enough......
And again the victim will be looked at as the perpetrator as John will and as I did.... Did John deserve this, and did I deserve this....

This was taken ten minutes after my attack.

I remember this well Mike. Plod is useless unless you are in a car !

 

[Tim Marlow]

You have the statutory right that the police should apply for compensation to the courts services for you John. You are a victim of this crime because it is you that is directly affected. That compensation must include damages they’ve caused as a result of their investigation. They are obligated to apply for this on your behalf and for making sure the courts are aware.
You may also be entitled to something because the letting agents have failed to carry out their contracted tasks correctly.
Seriously, if you haven’t yet, I would take legal advice if I were you.

 

[Guest]

You have the statutory right that the police should apply for compensation to the courts services for you John. You are a victim of this crime because it is you that is directly affected. That compensation must include damages they’ve caused as a result of their investigation. They are obligated to apply for this on your behalf and for making sure the courts are aware.
You may also be entitled to something because the letting agents have failed to carry out their contracted tasks correctly.
Seriously, if you haven’t yet, I would take legal advice if I were you.

But how they get around it is to say that if they went in ham fisted and there was no crime, and sorry it was all a big mistake, and we will learn from our mistakes.... That is when they will own up and pay compensation.
But how they wriggle out of it is to imply that the victim somehow knew about the crime and therefore no compensation.
That was how it was put to me... They (police) tried to put it that I was in fact the instigator which resulted in the attack on myself - but in reality it was one of the feral kids mother that had instigated everything by throwing a housebrick through the pensioners kitchen window, and I only became involved when I was asked to make the window safe... You can see how this went, I was in fact brought into the argument and when it came to proportioning the blame all fingers from the perpetrators pointed my way....

 

[Tim Marlow]

But how they get around it is to say that if they went in ham fisted and there was no crime, and sorry it was all a big mistake, and we will learn from our mistakes.... That is when they will own up and pay compensation.
But how they wriggle out of it is to imply that the victim somehow knew about the crime and therefore no compensation.
That was how it was put to me... They (police) tried to put it that I was in fact the instigator which resulted in the attack on myself - but in reality it was one of the feral kids mother that had instigated everything by throwing a housebrick through the pensioners kitchen window, and I only became involved when I was asked to make the window safe... You can see how this went, I was in fact brought into the argument and when it came to proportioning the blame all fingers from the perpetrators pointed my way....

Maybe Mike, but John’s case is totally different. He is clearly the victim, because it is his property that has been damaged, and he knew nothing about this until after the event, so there is nothing he can be accused of in retaliation. The police have a statutory obligation to put the correct paperwork in place and inform the courts. The amount of compensation, and who pays, is then for the judiciary to decide, not the police or the defendants. It’s definitely one for legal advice.

 

[Guest]

Maybe Mike, but John’s case is totally different. He is clearly the victim, because it is his property that has been damaged, and he knew nothing about this until after the event, so there is nothing he can be accused of in retaliation. The police have a statutory obligation to put the correct paperwork in place and inform the courts. The amount of compensation, and who pays, is then for the judiciary to decide, not the police or the defendants. It’s definitely one for legal advice.

I knew nothing, was not the instigator and up untill I was asked to make the window safe was totally ignorant of what was going on outside - but still got drawn into something I knew nothing about.