discussion Watching war films.......yikes

[Guest]

I have not seen the old dambusters movie but i remember seeing somewhere that it was being remade. They had pictures of replica lancasters that had been made for the film, from memory they were in NZ.

http://dambustersblog.com/category/peter-jackson/

 

[flyjoe180]

The Lancaster replicas are in New Zealand and the new script was being written by Stephen Fry. Progress was stopped while the last of the ring/hobbit or whatever thing it is Pete does was finished.

 

[Alan 45]

I have often wondered is they could take the existing BoB film and just edit it to use CGI to correct the errors in the aircraft and make it a much better film. The aircraft always jar with me when I watch it, a pity, an excellent film otherwise with an outstanding cast.

that's a great idea that way you get all the great actors and better arial combat sequences I like it

 

[Guest]

I just came up with a war film that you have to see.

Its modern Russian and sub titles but what a film.

its called "The 9th Company" ,about Russian troops in training,on way and there in Afghanistan.

10/10.

 

[Adrian "Marvel" Reynolds]

Oh, We Were Soldiers, I must go put that on right now, it really is a great film.

Battle of the River Plate was on the other week, followed by a Documentary looking at the wreck

Adrian

 

[Guest]

Another classic WWII movie that has not been mentioned (or I haven't noticed it) is "Battle of the River Plate"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048990/

Yes a very good film Joe true to the events. Anthony Quail's bit, as Rear Admiral Harwood, was a bit over done in fact cooked. Sure you know that of the ships, Exeter Ajax & Achilles (later The Cumberland) Achilles was a New Zealand Ship. Also interesting is that Achilles played herself in the film although by that time she was part of the Indian Navy. Some terrific scenes with all thee ships steaming in line.

Remarkable the Royal Navy. Once they saw the enemy there was no holding back like just like terriers. Graf Spay & Bismark were just hounded to their graves the Royal Navy bit & would not let go.

If my memory is correct I also think that New Zealand offered a ship for the Falklands Conflict.

Laurie

 

[Adrian "Marvel" Reynolds]

Didn't I read on here somewhere that the reason the remake of the Dambuster was on hold was all over the "PC Issue" of Guy Gibsons dog name?

Adrian

 

[flyjoe180]

Yes a very good film Joe true to the events. Anthony Quail's bit, as Rear Admiral Harwood, was a bit over done in fact cooked. Sure you know that of the ships, Exeter Ajax & Achilles (later The Cumberland) Achilles was a New Zealand Ship. Also interesting is that Achilles played herself in the film although by that time she was part of the Indian Navy. Some terrific scenes with all thee ships steaming in line.Remarkable the Royal Navy. Once they saw the enemy there was no holding back like just like terriers. Graf Spay & Bismark were just hounded to their graves the Royal Navy bit & would not let go.

If my memory is correct I also think that New Zealand offered a ship for the Falklands Conflict.

Laurie

My Great Uncle served on HMS Ajax at the Battle of River Plate. HMS Achilles was loaned to the RNZN in 1936 and served as HMNZS Achilles during the Second World War. Post-War as you said, she was sold to the Indian Navy and played her own part in the movie. The wartime Royal Navy had some tenacity without doubt.

The Leander Class frigate HMNZS Canterbury was seconded to the Royal Navy during the Falklands War and relieved a Royal Navy frigate from duties in the Indian Ocean before being relieved by the Leander frigate HMNZS Waikato.

 

[Guest]

Didn't I read on here somewhere that the reason the remake of the Dambuster was on hold was all over the "PC Issue" of Guy Gibsons dog name?Adrian

Wouldn't surprise me .... Pathetic really.

Most African american youths call each other that as a term of friendship, the same as we would use ''mate'' so I can't see the problem, the ''do-gooders'' strike again, and actually fuel the problem instead of subduing it.

Rant over.

 

[Guest]

Hi all, just read through all of this and have to say I just about agree with the comments, I loved the older war films even though not everything was right, but being totally into medieval and ancients I often cringe at those types of films, especially, as has been said before, when they re write history. I can forgive films like El Cid, which given their Hollywood twist to the story, was actually quite and accurate portrayal of Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar. I am a great fan of Ridley Scott, who I think goes to great lengths to get it all right, Kingdom of Heaven was remarkably accurate. Im not a great fan of historical films where they have American actors portraying English characters, not just because of the accent problems, there are some that can do a passable English accent, but they are the ones that seem to change history.

that's my 2 penny worth

Paul

 

[Guest]

they are going to call the dog Digger

Paul

 

[Guest]

Didn't I read on here somewhere that the reason the remake of the Dambuster was on hold was all over the "PC Issue" of Guy Gibsons dog name?Adrian

I take it it is due to the dog being called Nigger. I am sure that it was not in any way a colour issue in a racialist way. So what is the problem. The colour brown was referred to as nigger brown in my youth in the same way as yellow ochre etc . I certainly used it but had not at any time thought of it as a derogatory racialist term.

Laurie

 

[Guest]

Are you kidding Paul ? Digger. If that is true many a person is going to have a snigger !

If true this is absolutely pathetic.

Laurie

 

[Guest]

The colour of brown was changed by M&S to jimflex brown in the late 80's so it appeared more PC.

Bit daft really eh?

The Americans redubbed the film to 'trigger' at some stage if I remember correctly....

 

[flyjoe180]

Re the Peter Jackson 'Dambusters' remake, and to set the record straighter regarding the reason for the hold ups:

http://dambustersblog.com/2013/05/29/fry-finishes-dambusters-script/

http://www.3news.co.nz/Peter-Jacksons-Dam-Busters-on-hold/tabid/418/articleID/298160/Default.aspx

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/adam-helliker/400797/Hobbits-hold-up-the-Dambusters

And if anyone wants to see a glimpse of a mock up Lancaster here is a link http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2383809/Takeoff-looms

 

[BarryW]

I take it it is due to the dog being called Nigger. I am sure that it was not in any way a colour issue in a racialist way. So what is the problem. The colour brown was referred to as nigger brown in my youth in the same way as yellow ochre etc . I certainly used it but had not at any time thought of it as a derogatory racialist term.Laurie

I totally agree Laurie. It certainly is pathetic. Context is important but the p.c. crowd just do not see context.

 

[stona]

You beat me to it Joe!

I couldn't care less what they call the bloody dog! They'll have to change the code word which indicated a breach in the Mohne dam and instructed the remaining aircraft with mines to attack the Eder dam. Gibson used his dog's name for that too

What I would really like is a decent film that tells a remarkable story well. It is well known that Jackson has a genuine interest in aviation history so he might just be the man for the job.

Cheers

Steve

 

[Guest]

I'm not a great lover of remaking films ,there are plenty of other stories out there that could be made instead.

That way we get a totally new film and we don't have to run comparisons of which one is better.

Its not like there's a shortage of written work

Just think of all the Commando comics for one endless source of material.

Ridley Scott...mmm..... have you seen Robin Hood.

Norman landing craft and twice he loses his sword and has to do a ride by and call out "sword" so someone can throw it to him.

Shades of Gladiator ......now that was a good film ."Quintus, sword"

Regarding the dog problem get a Pekinese and call it fluffy and move on ,the film is about bombing and mass killing and destruction and scorched earth policies. More critical things to worry about than a blinking dogs name.

(or do what John Wayne did in Hondo, call it dog.)

 

[spanner570]

With Adrian mentioning filums. Here's two low budget, but superb movies....

Saints and Soldiers, and another well worth a punt - Days of Glory (2006) naff title, but what a film!..Amazon, £3.85 free p/p. or a couple of quid or so on ebay. Two of the best war films of recent years. At least I think so!

 

[Guest]

What I would really like is a decent film that tells a remarkable story well. It is well known that Jackson has a genuine interest in aviation history so he might just be the man for the job.

Cheers

Steve

Could not agree more Steve. Have not understood why some one has not made a film of the White Rabbit, Le Lapin Blanc. The story of Yeo Thomas in the resistance in France in WW11. A remarkable story about a very brave man.

Another would by The Maquis. The adventures, some adventure !, of George Millar in the Besancon area in France organising the Maquis to fight at the time of & after the Normandy Landing period.

They are just asking to be made into films. Both, if factually driven, would provide films of depth, excitement & both remarkable stories.

Laurie