discussion Your thoughts please gents?!?!

[Guest]

WHAT?! You mean this is a plastic model model kit site? Damn, got the wrong forum...

Si now then. You glue anything together. Then distort it. Then hammer it. Cover it with anything in your garden. Then produce a masterclass dio.


Where does the plastic bit occur ?


Laurie


This thread is interrupting very seriously with my decals on an Apache.


The Apache is doing a dance which is not very nice. He is not happy

 

[Guest]

Only thing I understand about this thread is sticking plastic bits together. It only takes one person to cause a problem.


Discussion is good but it can come over as aggressive. Compared to my model rail site this forum is very polite and that is to the credit of the members and the forum owners.

 

[eddiesolo]

Compared to my model rail site this forum is very polite and that is to the credit of the members and the forum owners.

+1 to that. We have had issues and things have gotten out of hand, but what do you expect, we are all human that have to convey feelings with words and silly little smiling sprites. Sometimes it gets heated and blown way out of meaning...luckily, most of us have our say and then go back to wrecking plastic.

 

[Guest]

but what do you expect, we are all human

Steady Eddie. This is great news. Si you are now getting serious. I am worried.


Laurie


hey no smiling sprites


whoops

 

[Guest]

Perhaps I should keep my opinions to myself. Lesson learnt.

No don't Dave! I hope that you haven't taken what I said in the wrong way.


You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, it's just that I feel Doog's motivation has been somewhat misrepresented.


Had he been the one who started the thread, then perhaps he might have had some hidden agenda. But he didn't - in fact he's simply replied to stuff said about him without his knowledge. To my mind he's been a good sport about it all.


Although this is a forum for model making, we're also friends - it's what sets this forum apart from the others IMHO.


So Dave, please feel free to express your thoughts & ideas!

 

[Guest]

Since I started this thread let's put this all to bed boys. Moderator please block this thread. I think we've seen enough opinions already


Thanks for Doogs to join our lovely forum, and sorry for any inconvinience caused, and please do stay around.

 

[Guest]

Lastly my comment I made about Dooug having a laugh at us was nothing to do with war or the Germans. I thought it condescending.

Well you can either get upset when total strangers bash you with lazy insults and dismiss what you're saying without even reading, or you can laugh. I choose to laugh. Some of the comments were even humorous.


Clearly, you're not a fan. You've made that abundantly clear from your first reply in this thread. And you know...that's totally okay.

And for the record' date=' I thought you made some interesting and valid points in that article. And this being a friendly forum, I look forward to hearing folks' response. One thing that cannot be ignored, is that your article sparked a lively discussion, and that can never be a bad thing! Critical reflection, the new black?[/quote']
Thank you, John! Though based on the pre-reception I've received I hope you'll understand if I'm not wholly convinced of the "friendly" part. As to the article, lively discussion was the goal, so glad to hear it!

this Doog chap has placed a wedge between people on here that was non existent before him' date=' okay so he's joined the forum but for what reason remains to be seen, my take on that would be that he's probably watching to see how much he can blow a forum community apart.[/quote']
Let's review how this came about. I was looking through my referral traffic and saw a little spike from this here forum, so I decided to check it out. This happens from time to time and more often than not I'll find someone on a Lithuanian or Vietnamese or [insert country of your choice] has shared one of my posts. Maybe it's Google Translate sparing my feelings, but those usually aren't four pages of insults in absentia.


Should I have just moved on? Probably. But I have this thing about engaging my critics - often it's a futile exercise, but every so often it yields great discussion and ongoing conversation. Call me an optimist.


As for the forum, I didn't even know it existed until a few days ago and have zero interest in blowing anything apart, but thank you for the vote of confidence.

 

[Guest]

Please don't close this thread, it smacks, at worst, of censorship, or at least an admission that a load of grown-ups can't just agree to disagree. Bottom line? Some blokes don't totally see eye to eye on a discussion that others do agree with, they can just stop reading it? Nobody got hurt....

 

[Guest]

Please don't close this thread, it smacks, at worst, of censorship, or at least an admission that a load of grown-ups can't just agree to disagree. Bottom line? Some blokes don't totally see eye to eye on a discussion that others do agree with, they can just stop reading it? Nobody got hurt....

Agree entirely John. I have found it very interesting and it is rare for a subject, which has


travelled in depth way beyond the the realms of Doogs piece, not to disintegrate into a


few nasty remarks etc.


I have been quite surprised at the divergence of opinion which has been made. I would


not have guessed at that. As you say John and it sums it up "no body got hurt".


Laurie

 

[Guest]

I've got to say that there is a preponderance of german WW2 subjects, and I do think it's skewing the market a little in that I suspect most modellers are modellers first, and will build anything they can get hold of, rather than hold out for their favoured subjects...


....But to infer some sort of neo-nazism from the aforementioned seems,...well, odd.... And he kind of shot himself in the foot a bit, when he then went on about solely US subjects, and carefully ignored the paucity of british subjects. (Older Airfix kits, notwithstanding)


Still, it's his opinion, and he's entitled to it- but like others upthread, wish he wouldn't swear quite so much though.


The 'attaboy' blog was interesting though, and interestingly, somewhat less sweary. I kind of agree with him there- Much as I appreciate (and I do, very much) the very kind comments from fellow members, I wouldn't mind some constructive comments- I'm always looking to improve, and am always willing to learn.


....Obviously, criticism has to be constructive, and we must be responsible and sensible when writing it, but I can't see the harm.


Maybe, the answer is a 'critique corner'- I'm sure I've seen such a thing on another 'site. But please, if you spot something I could do better- tell me... nicely

 

[Guest]

Well. That's 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back!

 

[eddiesolo]

Well. That's 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back!

I say that every time I start building a model...

 

[Guest]

I've got to say that there is a preponderance of german WW2 subjects, and I do think it's skewing the market a little in that I suspect most modellers are modellers first, and will build anything they can get hold of, rather than hold out for their favoured subjects...
....But to infer some sort of neo-nazism from the aforementioned seems,...well, odd.... And he kind of shot himself in the foot a bit, when he then went on about solely US subjects, and carefully ignored the paucity of british subjects. (Older Airfix kits, notwithstanding)


Still, it's his opinion, and he's entitled to it- but like others upthread, wish he wouldn't swear quite so much though.


The 'attaboy' blog was interesting though, and interestingly, somewhat less sweary. I kind of agree with him there- Much as I appreciate (and I do, very much) the very kind comments from fellow members, I wouldn't mind some constructive comments- I'm always looking to improve, and am always willing to learn.


....Obviously, criticism has to be constructive, and we must be responsible and sensible when writing it, but I can't see the harm.


Maybe, the answer is a 'critique corner'- I'm sure I've seen such a thing on another 'site. But please, if you spot something I could do better- tell me... nicely

There already is a ' critique corner ' of sorts on here Dave, although it's not used very much.


The subject of constructive criticism has been raised on here many times & the general consensus seems to be ....say something nice or nothing as anything else will be put down. There appears to be a concern that we're not grown adults & we can't accept well-intentioned advice.


I could go on .... but I won't!

 

[Guest]

I say that every time I start building a model...

20 minutes of actual model making is a good day for me Si! Mostly it's hours of searching for enthusiasm

 

[eddiesolo]

Though based on the pre-reception I've received I hope you'll understand if I'm not wholly convinced of the "friendly" part.

Friendly...of course we are friendly...did you read one post that said you're a d**kh**d (I am using this as a point and not referring that you are one), on other sites you could, nah, would have all kinds of vulgar nasties issued against you. We discussed, we ranted...be damn grateful for your referral traffic...come on, admit it...gave you something to do.

 

[spanner570]

I really wasn't going to bother with this, but I've had a quick read.


It reminds me of the bloke who goes into a crowded bar, throws a chair across the room and sits back to watch the fun.


Here's the parallel....Choose a subject you know will be controversial and bound to create a lively debate, then sit back and watch it disintegrate from a good, general discussion, through to it getting slightly personal.......then people who are fed up with it all and want it stopped.........then to calm things down, folks try to inject some humour into it..........then, when everyone has had enough, go completely off subject, talking about censorship.......and drinks all round!


Perhaps it's just cynical old me who's been on this planet for a long time and seen it all before.....

 

[eddiesolo]

I really wasn't going to bother with this, but I've had a quick read.
It reminds me of the bloke who goes into a crowded bar, throws a chair across the room and sits back to watch the fun.


Here's the parallel....Choose a subject you know will be controversial and bound to create a lively debate, then sit back and watch it disintegrate from a good, general discussion, through to it getting slightly personal.......then people who are fed up with it all and want it stopped.........then to calm things down, folks try to inject some humour into it..........then, when everyone has had enough, go completely off subject, talking about censorship.......and drinks all round!


Perhaps it's just cynical old me who's been on this planet for a long time and seen it all before.....

You, old, cynical...never Ron. Good points though. I did add some humour as to me, it is like a tea-break-a time-out if you will.


Speaking of drinks...mines a pint please.

 

[stona]

I think Doog's blog made a perfectly reasonable point about a supposed preponderance of German subjects represented in model kits. I can only make an informed comment on the aircraft sector and have to say that his own statistics don't really back this up.


Incidentally whilst the US did produce the fighters listed in the blog, in the ETO it only operated three (I could easily argue for two, though a couple of hundred P-38s most of which didn't work too well is I suppose significant) in any significant numbers. The British operated three types in significant numbers (one not much and not in a fighter role post 1941) and the Germans two. The numbers are for more even than one might suspect.


In the MTO the Germans operated two in numbers and the British two, until Spitfires arrived in meaningful numbers at which point they replaced one and later both types.


A plethora of German subjects is provided by the incompetent way German aircraft production was run with dozens of types, some quite exotic and therefore attractive to model builders and kit manufacturers, most of which saw no or very limited service. It's why many people build an He 177 rather than a Stirling and an Me 163 rather than a Defiant


Cheers


Steve

 

[Guest]

Models of all types ,ie Planes,boats,trains and tanks etc are very popular in Germany with many youngsters taking up the hobby. It follows therefore that there will be a fairly large supply of German based kits.

 

[Guest]

Incidentally whilst the US did produce the fighters listed in the blog, in the ETO it only operated three (I could easily argue for two, though a couple of hundred P-38s most of which didn't work too well is I suppose significant) in any significant numbers. The British operated three types in significant numbers (one not much and not in a fighter role post 1941) and the Germans two. The numbers are for more even than one might suspect.
In the MTO the Germans operated two in numbers and the British two, until Spitfires arrived in meaningful numbers at which point they replaced one and later both types.

Apologies for my ignorance Steve. What do ETO and MTO mean. Regret clueless. Like a lot of TV quizz programmes it is obvious when the answer is revealed.


Also I am a bit lost in the explanation which seems interesting but I fear not understandable to me.


Laurie