Political debates

[Guest]

There is this thing that people think of the people who govern them as aliens ( oh yes some will take their opportunity here). You voted them in. Even if you did not vote you still voted the government in by not voting. Think of that you voted the government in.


The next mystery is politics as if it is something remote from life. Something which does not concern the people or self. It is the aliens again in the ether.


Politics is the policies of the way we live our lives. To cast it aside as "politics" as if it is not your problem is rather silly as those that do are allowing the others to decide on how you live your life.


For those who do not vote and allow others to run their a question. Would you allow some one else to choose the colour of your car. What you eat etc etc all very low priorities. But not voting or taking an interest in politics is allowing others to run your way of life which to me is of paramount importance.


On corruption. There is always a minority who are going to "take the biscuit" which is not theirs. Amongst the 600 MPs there are a small percentage of rogues this is typical of society in general.


Of interest answer this question. Would you take on being an MP knowing that you could make a better standard of living outside parliament and end up more wealthy ? Would you chucking in your job to become an MP knowing that after 5 years you may be rejected by the voters and find yourself without being able to resume in the work you gave up to be an MP.


Last if not satisfied with the system why not try to re-arrange it rather than moan. If not you have no case to grumble. How many belong to a party to change ideas. How many have been to a party meeting (which ever party). How many know their MPs name ? How many have been to see their MP to complain ? How many watch programmes about the politics governing our lives not just now but for the last five years ? How many know what their local government are doing ?


Have you delegated the way you live to others ?


Laurie

[Ian M]

Can I just hop in here and remind every one that the forum rules, few that they are do not allow political debate.


So before the to and fro begins. Dont.


So far so good but keep it light and pleasant and do not start dissing and promoting. That will get this thread removed in 0,5 seconds.


Thank you.


Ian M

[Alan 45]

Oh Boy ops: Seems like you guys suffer from almost the same problems we have except you govt. doesn't seem to be in open warfare against it's people as our present admin. is. Lets face it chaps ,all kidding aside, do you REALLY want to see a world without America! That's what's coming about, we're alienating our allies and giving aid and comfort to the enemy .......GOD HELP US!

Can you clear something up for me concerning US politics Jim


Is it true that if your rich enough or backed by enough influential people you can buy the presidency?


If so 1 it explanes how George W Bush Jr. got elected and 2 it's not democratic is it

[Alan 45]

Can I just hop in here and remind every one that the forum rules, few that they are do not allow political debate.
So before the to and fro begins. Dont.


So far so good but keep it light and pleasant and do not start dissing and promoting. That will get this thread removed in 0,5 seconds.


Thank you.


Ian M

Thanks ian for the heads up , I think we've shown that we actually can have a talk about things of this nature and not get involved in silliness, maybe the politicians could learn a thing or two from this site

[Guest]

Whatever your political views please vote. Think carefully about the issues and vote for the party that you believe will serve the interests of the people best. Just remember how powerful a thing a vote is and that people have died to have that right. Also bear in mind the saying, that for evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing.

[Alan 45]

Whatever your political views please vote. Think carefully about the issues and vote for the party that you believe will serve the interests of the people best. Just remember how powerful a thing a vote is and that people have died to have that right. Also bear in mind the saying, that for evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing.

I agree Keith but don't forget evil comes with a smile

[Ian M]

A thing that cheeses me of are the wingers and whiners that moan about the gov. When asked who did they vote reply "I didn't vote"


My reaction is normally tell them to stop whining then.


Ian M

[BarryW]

The ironic thing is that our politicians reflect the society that elects them or at least those who do vote. There are good and bad among them as in all walks of life. I have met many politicians of all Parties, good bad and indifferent. Some I know well. One thing I can say with absolute certainty they nearly all enter politics for the right reasons. Some go wrong, some get too far 'up themselves' some are plain stupid, but that is no different to anyone in any other occupation. Do not let the minority of real bad eggs who get the publicity win by tainting them all with the same brush.

[Alan 45]

A thing that cheeses me of are the wingers and whiners that moan about the gov. When asked who did they vote reply "I didn't vote"
My reaction is normally tell them to stop whining then.


Ian M

I agree to a point but I always ask why they don't , if the answer is I can't be bothered then I say don't whinge then but if it's down to a protest then I fully understand and I agree with them , I voted from 85 until 97 then when I saw who I'd voted for and how wrong they were I didn't vote until 2010 when I had to vote simply on principle to change things , my none voting was a protest not a case of not being bothered as ive said earlier in the thread I protest vote now if I feel I'm not being listened too

[stona]

Well, the leaders debate is on ITV right now....how much do you think you can last?

[Guest]

Agree Barry. Being an MP is one of the last bastions of a call to duty dedication. Living a great deal of the time away from wives or husbands and their children. Late sessions and then weekends back to the constituency to take their meetings with their constituents. Most are highly intelligent to get there their constituent parties make sure of that. The amount of money they earn is pitiful compared to their hours and responsibility.


There used when I was young Doctors Nurses Surgeons Firefighters Police who were in that category but now.


Given a franchise use it it is the cheapest gift given to the people of Britain. Many countries do not have it or know how to use it.


Laurie

[grumpa]

Can you clear something up for me concerning US politics Jim
Is it true that if your rich enough or backed by enough influential people you can buy the presidency?


If so 1 it explanes how George W Bush Jr. got elected and 2 it's not democratic is it

Go ahead , think the worst of it-- because you're right! I don't think it's any particular form of govt. that matters. Even communism looks utopian {on paper} I've found over the years that MAN is the problem, one of our founders said "This govt. will work as long as those participating in it remain honorable" I think our collective ship has ominously sailed on that issue

[Alan 45]

The ironic thing is that our politicians reflect the society that elects them or at least those who do vote. There are good and bad among them as in all walks of life. I have met many politicians of all Parties, good bad and indifferent. Some I know well. One thing I can say with absolute certainty they nearly all enter politics for the right reasons. Some go wrong, some get too far 'up themselves' some are plain stupid, but that is no different to anyone in any other occupation. Do not let the minority of real bad eggs who get the publicity win by tainting them all with the same brush.

Thing is Barry what you touched on earlier is why people like me don't trust any politician, laws have been brought in to stop injustice and protect us from the bad in society , the thing is when the boots on the other foot you will find no protection or justice , I have been on this side of the fence and found even though I was the victim I ended up being the persecuted , all I want is to be treated the same , I don't want to be treated better I want to im treated equally and know that I'm protected as well , it's something the political elite have let slide


Being a white male means it's quite lawful to be discriminated against

[grumpa]

Vote, vote, vote blah blah blah .....when was the last time your PM vote or whatever you guys call it was counted in a foreign socialist country for the ONLY time in your nations history! well that's what happened to us ..... country.......Spain, would you TRUST them? what now?! we can't count our own VOTES Briton and the U.S.A. are the only two civilized powers in the world, France you say? REALLY?o_O It's up to US! problem is we're not up for IT!

[john i am]

I've never voted for anyone and never will in my opinion it would be a valuable waste of my free time. Would the world we live in be a better place today if I had voted of course not.The politicians all promise different agendas and ideas and reforms etc blah blah blah and end up dong all the same things mostly anyways.Whoevers been in power as it really affected my life honestly not as I'd noticed.I agree someone as to be in charge as otherwise anarchy would reign and although this might be fun for a couple of days it could become rather dangerous. So for all those that do bother voting thanks for your efforts but I claim my right not to. Politics and Religion how much trouble have these two caused in the past. I give both a very wide berth.Its great though how this debate on politics as gone so far with nobody falling out so kudos to all the members and it's a shame our "leaders" don't conduct themselves in the same manner. VOTE xxxxxxxx no thank you