discussion 1/72 HMS Iron Duke - Type 23 Frigate

[Mini Me]

Pretty sure enamel will produce a more durable finish, which I think would work well for your purposes. :thumb2:

 

[Tim Marlow]

The colour issue happens because some red pigments are transparent. It’s why artists grade paints are graded in terms of transparency.
Not sure, but it looks like you first primed the hull in black. If so, the brown colour is what I would expect. If you mix black and red you get brown .
If you want the hull painted red I would first prime in a red oxide colour primer. Just take a trip to your local car factors and buy a couple of touch up rattle cans, one a red primer and the other in the colour you want.

 

[Tworrs]

The colour issue happens because some red pigments are transparent. It’s why artists grade paints are graded in terms of transparency.
Not sure, but it looks like you first primed the hull in black. If so, the brown colour is what I would expect. If you mix black and red you get brown .
If you want the hull painted red I would first prime in a red oxide colour primer. Just take a trip to your local car factors and buy a couple of touch up rattle cans, one a red primer and the other in the colour you want.

Thanks for your observations Tim, however the ship was undercoated in light grey rattle can primer, and as grey is a pretty neutral colour I figured it would be a good base for any colour topcoat..
Personally I think that Hull Red is just more brown than red.
I will have to re-prime the model by the looks of it, and then find a suitable red.
Your input is appreciated though.

 

[boatman]

HI Garry well i just use red car primer on my hulls an it dont look far out in a big rattle can spray about 4 coats pic of my hull below

 

[boatman]

HOPE these pics help you Garry an when sprayed with the car red primer i then spray it over with a clear laquer car spray to harden the paint finish
chrisb ps dint think but here are some shots of my type 23 norfolk done in the same couloure an its holts auto spray paint red primer rattle can sorry pics not very good Garry
chrisb

 

[boatman]

HI again Garry before you spray any differnt paints over this valejo try the new paint on a littlle area which cant be seen as the rattle can paint may attack your old paint an cause it to craze as ive had this happen when you swop to differnt paints
chrisb

 

[Tworrs]

Great advice there Chris, thank you.

 

[Tim Marlow]

Thanks for your observations Tim, however the ship was undercoated in light grey rattle can primer, and as grey is a pretty neutral colour I figured it would be a good base for any colour topcoat..
Personally I think that Hull Red is just more brown than red.
I will have to re-prime the model by the looks of it, and then find a suitable red.
Your input is appreciated though.

I’ve had sprayed red top coats go purple over a grey primer Garry :sleeping2: Since then I always underpaint in a red shade before putting on the topcoat. Even when brush painting small areas I always underpaint in Vallejo cavalry brown (a very red shade of brown) to improve coverage. The only Vallejo model colour red I have that doesn’t do this is Amaranthe red.

 

[Tworrs]

I’ve had sprayed red top coats go purple over a grey primer Garry :sleeping2: Since then I always underpaint in a red shade before putting on the topcoat. Even when brush painting small areas I always underpaint in Vallejo cavalry brown (a very red shade of brown) to improve coverage. The only Vallejo model colour red I have that doesn’t do this is Amaranthe red.

Thanks for the warning Tim.

 

[Mark1]

Ive just painted my lifeboat with mr hobby aqueous red gloss h327 over grey primer,covers well and is a proper red

 

[Tworrs]

I took the paint on the hull back to light grey, then applied a rattle can primer, sort of a red oxide, which is the colour I was looking for.
Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and advice.

 

[papa 695]

Looking good

 

[Ian M]

As odd as it sounds Cavalry Brown is a better colour than Hull Red. Another idea could be Vallejo's Red Primer, which can be had in large bottles. A couple of coats clear once cured and she'll be fine. As an aside Vallejo Acrylics are 100% water fast once cured/hardened. Several I know that only build RC Boats use them with no problems at all. (My only dislike for them on large ship models is the size of the bottles! )

 

[boatman]

AH Garry thats more like it red primer is spot on as have you sprayed the grey sides yet an an if you have now for that fun bit the black water line as if its like on your ship like mine the whatch out as that water line is bigger at the bow end than the stern an i used tisue paper to get it right but it was a bugger all the same as the black water line is dead straight along the bottom but not the top as it curves up at the bow an my swear box was full after doin this but she comin on great very well done
ATB
Chrisb

 

[Tim Marlow]

Looking good Garry, glad it’s sorted out :thumb2:

 

[Tworrs]

Looking good

Thank you Ian

As odd as it sounds Cavalry Brown is a better colour than Hull Red. Another idea could be Vallejo's Red Primer, which can be had in large bottles. A couple of coats clear once cured and she'll be fine. As an aside Vallejo Acrylics are 100% water fast once cured/hardened. Several I know that only build RC Boats use them with no problems at all. (My only dislike for them on large ship models is the size of the bottles! )

Thanks for all you input Ian, it is done now and I'm happy with the result, the rattle can worked fine. You are right about the minuscule little bottles that Vallejo provide, it is really frustrating.

AH Garry thats more like it red primer is spot on as have you sprayed the grey sides yet an an if you have now for that fun bit the black water line as if its like on your ship like mine the whatch out as that water line is bigger at the bow end than the stern an i used tisue paper to get it right but it was a bugger all the same as the black water line is dead straight along the bottom but not the top as it curves up at the bow an my swear box was full after doin this but she comin on great very well done
ATB
Chrisb

Thanks Chris, yes I noted that the black is not parallel to the waterline, why I really don't know, but I will follow the plan. Let the games begin lol.
Garry

 

[Tworrs]

Looking good Garry, glad it’s sorted out :thumb2:

Many thanks Tim

 

[Tworrs]

Further progress, the black stripe at the waterline has been painted, and I'm pretty happy with the result. That was a lot of masking and re-masking, I'm glad it's done :smiling:
All in, about 6 coats of each colour has been sprayed on.
All that really needs doing is the clear-coat, but that will only be done later.

 

[boatman]

fanstastic Garry
chrisb

 

[Tim Marlow]

Looks great Garry.