discussion Is this weird or what !?

[spanner570]

....I love it when greater mortals, with a better command than me of the English language, use big words, clever phrases and talk dirty too!

More please.

 

[Guest]

i don’t need be spoon fed that stuff Jakko, I can still just about think for myself

I didn’t mean it that way It was intended as an illustration of what you mentioned.

in thirty years time they will think the same as us….

Probably. Of course, the entertainment industry’s mantras have always been “more of the same” and “dumb it down” (the latter of which I was just reminded of when the radio played that one hit by 4 Non Blondes), but I do have the impression that these days they’re doing recursion on the former at least. And at some point, even the target audience who still likes it, is likely to say that enough is enough, give us something better already. I hope

 

[Tim Marlow]

Forgot to mention I reckon you've been reading Douglas Adams 'cos that comes straight out of The Hitchhiker's Guide! :smiling:

I did say that Wednesday morning Dave, but it was just after six so you were probably still asleep I might have nicked it from the radio series to be honest……it was always best on the radio.

 

[Tim Marlow]

I remember watching the first series of Star Trek. I gave up about half way through 'cos there was nothing new - it was all re-hashed stories from the Sci Fi of the 1930s and 40s. So there's nothing new in even the idea of risk adversity.

To be fair ST did have the first televised interracial kiss and Russian and American crew members working together for the greater good…..not usual for mid sixties TV………storylines were lifted from all over though.
Mind you, all creative writing does that as a matter of course…..Agatha Christie broadly lifted from Conan Doyle, and he broadly lifted from Dostoyevski…….nothing new under the sun :tongue-out3:

 

[Tim Marlow]

I didn’t mean it that way :smiling3: It was intended as an illustration of what you mentioned.


Probably. Of course, the entertainment industry’s mantras have always been “more of the same” and “dumb it down” (the latter of which I was just reminded of when the radio played that one hit by 4 Non Blondes), but I do have the impression that these days they’re doing recursion on the former at least. And at some point, even the target audience who still likes it, is likely to say that enough is enough, give us something better already. I hope :smiling3:

Hi mate. I never took offence so don’t sweat it…..
I hope something different comes along soon as well. The DC film franchises have buried more Batmen than Michael Caine……

 

[Guest]

If you want more of this watch Aliens on Blaze TV. It's on every day, bit the same , but when they show stone shapes from all over the world in the form of large head's it does make you think how come those people had the same idea when they'd couldn't have met.That and those straight lines which appear to run for miles.

 

[Tim Marlow]

If you want more of this watch Aliens on Blaze TV. It's on every day, bit the same , but when they show stone shapes from all over the world in the form of large head's it does make you think how come those people had the same idea when they'd couldn't have met.That and those straight lines which appear to run for miles.

If you ever get to Oxford John, go to the Pit Rivers museum. They have a room with a large number of pre industrial artefacts from all over the world. The clever bit is that they are displayed not according to region, but according to type of artefact. It is amazing how similar these artifices are, despite originating from people’s and regions that could not possible have met to exchange ideas.

Personally I think it illustrates that whoever we are and wherever we come from we are all essentially the same. It also shows that true original thought is a rare thing and should be nurtured and celebrated wherever it occurs.

PS, I thought the straight lines had been shown to be due to animal migration years ago……..

 

[Guest]

If you ever get to Oxford John, go to the Pit Rivers museum. They have a room with a large number of pre industrial artefacts from all over the world. The clever bit is that they are displayed not according to region, but according to type of artefact. It is amazing how similar these artifices are, despite originating from people’s and regions that could not possible have met to exchange ideas.

Personally I think it illustrates that whoever we are and wherever we come from we are all essentially the same. It also shows that true original thought is a rare thing and should be nurtured and celebrated wherever it occurs.

PS, I thought the straight lines had been shown to be due to animal migration years ago……..

Indeed it should Tim.

The near straight lines in some areas are now thought to be corals , more funnels than straight.
Its still strange how our ancestors with out any scientific equipment managed to mark out lines that were straight no doubt done with the sun or stars.

This sort of thing Tim.

 

[grumpa]

Indeed it should Tim.

The near straight lines in some areas are now thought to be corals , more funnels than straight.
Its still strange how our ancestors with out any scientific equipment managed to mark out lines that were straight no doubt done with the sun or stars.

This sort of thing Tim.

You think that's something john, can anyone splain dis?

There are way too many of these pics to list.
How were these "impossible" feats of stone softening, cutting, lifting, transporting, for many megalithic sites are far
from their quarries, and finally lifted and perfectly placed? Some to over 400ft in height as in the Great Pyramid in Egypt.
It is obvious to anyone with even only several brain cells operating that these feats were not done by primitive man or any man.
Who, what, when, were and how? Only the what and were can be answered, the who, when and how will never be answered.

This bothers me to no end, I am a logical man and all these things defy logic and certainly make the powers that be in all these historical societies look like fools when they push these ridiculous theories that primitive men with stone hammers and copper chisels
created these marvels......what are they trying to hide?


Jim'

 

[The Smythe Meister]

You think that's something john, can anyone splain dis?

There are way too many of these pics to list.
How were these "impossible" feats of stone softening, cutting, lifting, transporting, for many megalithic sites are far
from their quarries, and finally lifted and perfectly placed? Some to over 400ft in height as in the Great Pyramid in Egypt.
It is obvious to anyone with even only several brain cells operating that these feats were not done by primitive man or any man.
Who, what, when, were and how? Only the what and were can be answered, the who, when and how will never be answered.

This bothers me to no end, I am a logical man and all these things defy logic and certainly make the powers that be in all these historical societies look like fools when they push these ridiculous theories that primitive men with stone hammers and copper chisels
created these marvels......what are they trying to hide?


Jim'

Couldn't agree more... Well said that man.

 

[yak face]

You think that's something john, can anyone splain dis?

I think its quite straightforward jim , the radiac saw was invented a LOT earlier than we think :smiling5:

 

[Guest]

Many a strange thing , makes you wonder . Why not that is my answer. There are places on this earth where governments denies all entry, once you shroud a place in mystery the stories start.

 

[The Smythe Meister]

I think its quite straightforward jim , the radiac saw was invented a LOT earlier than we think :smiling5:

.... and just WHERE WAS the B&Q that they got it from way back then?!!:thinking::tears-of-joy:

 

[Tim Marlow]

You think that's something john, can anyone splain dis?

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There are way too many of these pics to list.
How were these "impossible" feats of stone softening, cutting, lifting, transporting, for many megalithic sites are far
from their quarries, and finally lifted and perfectly placed? Some to over 400ft in height as in the Great Pyramid in Egypt.
It is obvious to anyone with even only several brain cells operating that these feats were not done by primitive man or any man.
Who, what, when, were and how? Only the what and were can be answered, the who, when and how will never be answered.

This bothers me to no end, I am a logical man and all these things defy logic and certainly make the powers that be in all these historical societies look like fools when they push these ridiculous theories that primitive men with stone hammers and copper chisels
created these marvels......what are they trying to hide?


Jim'

Just because we don’t know how they did it, doesn’t mean they didn’t do it Jim. I’m really not trying to be antagonist here, just putting a different viewpoint that you might find interesting…..

Let’s start with a couple of examples:

Salisbury cathedral is a highly complex structure that is over 400 foot high. It was built of masonry a Thousand years ago, using stone sourced from at least fifty miles away, and nobody really knows exactly how it was done. What is sure is that it was built using trade knowledge, animal muscle, and hand tools, because there wasn’t anything else around. Lifting some of the large blocks up to the spire must have been a hell of a task just using basic wooden structures and muscle.

Roman structures from a thousand years earlier, such as the Pantheon and the Coliseum were built using very similar techniques. They too are huge and very complex, and the stone used had to be mined, transported, accurately cut, and placed. Again, no one really knows how it was done.

However, as these structures were built during a time when written records exist about other “important“ events, no one really tries to say they were made by ETs engineering brother.

Stonehenge, built in the same area as Salisbury cathedral two and one half thousand years earlier, is constructed of very large chunks of stone. Some of the stone was sourced and moved from South wales, some eighty miles away, while the rest was sourced from the Marlborough downs, about twenty miles away. Some parts of this structure weigh up to fifty tons. Obviously they could move the close stuff, so they could also move the distant stuff. It just took longer. The stones are finely worked, using stone tools. The structure is held together with both tongue and groove and mortise and tenon joints, and the stones have been lifted accurately into place. We do not know how they did any of this, but we know they did, because the evidence is still there in front of our eyes.

Working techniques didn’t seem to change much between Roman and Medieval times, despite very little being written down. Is it therefore so inconceivable that these techniques could just go further back into pre history, being modified very slowly with experience, and passed on simply by word of mouth?

 

[The Smythe Meister]

Just because we don’t know how they did it, doesn’t mean they didn’t do it Jim. I’m really not trying to be antagonist here, just putting a different viewpoint that you might find interesting…..

Let’s start with a couple of examples:

Salisbury cathedral is a highly complex structure that is over 400 foot high. It was built of masonry a Thousand years ago, using stone sourced from at least fifty miles away, and nobody really knows exactly how it was done. What is sure is that it was built using trade knowledge, animal muscle, and hand tools, because there wasn’t anything else around. Lifting some of the large blocks up to the spire must have been a hell of a task just using basic wooden structures and muscle.

Roman structures from a thousand years earlier, such as the Pantheon and the Coliseum were built using very similar techniques. They too are huge and very complex, and the stone used had to be mined, transported, accurately cut, and placed. Again, no one really knows how it was done.

However, as these structures were built during a time when written records exist about other “important“ events, so no one really tries to say they were made by ETs engineering brother.

Stonehenge, built in the same area as Salisbury cathedral two and one half thousand years earlier, is constructed of very large chunks of stone. Some of the stone was sourced and moved from South wales, some eighty miles away, while the rest was sourced from the Marlborough downs, about twenty miles away. Some parts of this structure weigh up to fifty tons. Obviously they could move the close stuff, so they could also move the distant stuff. It just took longer. The stones are finely worked, using stone tools. The structure is held together with both tongue and groove and mortise and tenon joints, and the stones have been lifted accurately into place. We do not know how they did any of this, but we know they did, because the evidence is still there in front of our eyes.

Working techniques didn’t seem to change much between Roman and Medieval times, despite very little being written down. Is it therefore so inconceivable that these techniques could just go further back into pre history, being modified very slowly with experience, and passed on simply by word of mouth?

Normally I'd agree with you Tim...
... But not in this case...
When you have the latest,High Tech,Engineers saying "even with all of our latest heavy movers,and cutting machines, it'd take a mammoth,(No pun intended ),time and coordination to replicate this"
... SOMETHING IS AMISS MATE

 

[Mark1]

The largest stone ever moved by manpower alone, i.e. without the use of animals or machines, is the Thunder Stone, an enormous boulder of granite serving as the pedestal of the famous Bronze Horseman statue of Peter the Great at St Petersburg, Russia. Before being cut into shape as the pedestal, the Thunder Stone measured 7 m by 14 m by 9 m, and was estimated to weigh around 1500 tonnes. It was moved 6 km overland to the Gulf of Finland from the marsh in Lakhta, north of the Gulf by dragging it across the frozen Russian countryside during the winter of 1768, a process taking 9 months and requiring 400 men, pulling it upon a metallic sledge.

Who knows whats possible when you got thousands of slaves at your disposal :thinking:

 

[Tim Marlow]

Normally I'd agree with you Tim...
... But not in this case...
When you have the latest,High Tech,Engineers saying "even with all of our latest heavy movers,and cutting machines, it'd take a mammoth,(No pun intended ),time and coordination to replicate this"
... SOMETHING IS AMISS MATE

Salisbury cathedral took about 100 years to build……their timescales are not our timescales…….low tech with huge amounts of manpower and limitless time can sometimes outperform high tech kit….

 

[Allen Dewire]

Who knows whats possible when you got thousands of slaves at your disposal :thinking:

Me being able to finally finish a build that I started!!!...For one..............

 

[Mark1]

Salisbury cathedral took about 100 years to build……their timescales are not our timescales…….low tech with huge amounts of manpower and limitless time can sometimes outperform high tech kit….

Very true, antoni gaudi's sagrada familia in Barcelona was started in 1882 and even with the invention of CAD and CNC technology to speed up the process still only reached its halfway point in 2010.

 

[David Lovell]

Its only 765 years old I think the main body took about forty years to get up and running interestingly the footings are only about 1.2 meters deep because of the water table interesting they had engineer's and architects that could calculate it would be safe to build on such didn't quite have a long enough piece of string for a plumb bob that spire dont half lean over. Most of what Andy and the boys have been talking about referring to is a bit further back in time.
Don't care how they built stone henge your not telling me they went to all that trouble just for longest day solcest winter rubbish coz if that is the case what did they do before that. Dave