discussion Petrol and tax

[colin m]

Just speaking in rough figures, if petrol does get down to £1.00 a litre, we will be spending 20p buying the fuel and 80p in tax.

Does anyone know of another product were the tax is so much greater than the cost of the product ?

I can't think of anything.

Colin M...

 

[Guest]

Yes but if you change that why not VAT on food

We do in Jersey

Laurie

 

[Guest]

Considering most food deliveries are done by road, tax on fuel is effectively a tax on food, along with everything else in the shops.

The money that the government get certainly doesn't go back to maintain the roads that earn them the money!

 

[Guest]

Considering most food deliveries are done by road, tax on fuel is effectively a tax on food, along with everything else in the shops.The money that the government get certainly doesn't go back to maintain the roads that earn them the money!

Minute tho Patrick we pay 5% tax on every carrot and every sprout (each one is individually marked with the tax cost ). On a host of other things which are delivered to Jersey and for which we pay the fuel plus the tax that your government ( that means you with all the population of the UK) place and collect on delivery to Jersey.

In the end the taxes that your government collect ( the government is all the people in the UK not some exalted lot it is all you UK types) go to running the country. Not all may be fair, it would appear, for instance some tax paid may go to keep a family that are poor . The government is no different from a family it is just a huge family of all those who live in the UK.

Laurie

 

[Guest]

Just speaking in rough figures, if petrol does get down to £1.00 a litre, we will be spending 20p buying the fuel and 80p in tax.Does anyone know of another product were the tax is so much greater than the cost of the product ?

I can't think of anything.

Colin M...

Cigarettes and Alcohol

 

[Ian M]

25% vat on everything. (on top of all the other taxes).

Petrol about 95% is tax and duties.

Cars, Cars! 250 - 350% in duties. 25% vat on top of that....

Income tax around 39%.

Came back when you have something to moan about.

Ian M

 

[Guest]

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/uk-cigarette-prices/

77% tax on Cigarettes

 

[colin m]

25% vat on everything. (on top of all the other taxes).Petrol about 95% is tax and duties.

Cars, Cars! 250 - 350% in duties. 25% vat on top of that....

Income tax around 39%.

Came back when you have something to moan about.

Ian M

Good god Ian. What do they spend all that on. You must have the best roads / health service/education system in Europe. I hope.

 

[eddiesolo]

25% vat on everything. (on top of all the other taxes).Petrol about 95% is tax and duties.

Cars, Cars! 250 - 350% in duties. 25% vat on top of that....

Income tax around 39%.

Came back when you have something to moan about.

Ian M

Er...why live there then?

 

[Guest]

What I have read is that Scandinavian countries are the most protective of all of their population through out the world.

They seem to be progressive in the running of their countries for the good of all the people in them.

Beggars belief that they can achieve this to be so unselfish. It would seem in other countries in Europe this would not work as the structure of the party politics does not allow it. That is that each political party is struggling to gain votes and being something to every person loses them votes.

The question is then how do the Scandinavians achieve this very fair way of living ?

Laurie

 

[Guest]

Er...why live there then?

Si what have you done to yourself Please return to your normal self

Laurie

 

[Guest]

25% vat on everything. (on top of all the other taxes).Petrol about 95% is tax and duties.

Cars, Cars! 250 - 350% in duties. 25% vat on top of that....

Income tax around 39%.

Came back when you have something to moan about.

Ian M

Life is all about choices and weighing up the advantages against the disadvantages. We can all pick out things to complain about in our daily lives but we can also be thankful for the good things we have. I know Norway has some of the highest taxation rates going (fuel is the highest in Europe by quite a bit) but they also have some pretty amazing benefits and a couple of Norwegian colleagues of mine once told me that despite having the opportunity to live anywhere in the world they wanted they still chose to remain a resident of Norway for too many reasons to state here.

 

[Guest]

Life is all about choices and weighing up the advantages against the disadvantages. We can all pick out things to complain about in our daily lives but we can also be thankful for the good things we have. I know Norway has some of the highest taxation rates going (fuel is the highest in Europe by quite a bit) but they also have some pretty amazing benefits and a couple of Norwegian colleagues of mine once told me that despite having the opportunity to live anywhere in the world they wanted they still chose to remain a resident of Norway for too many reasons to state here.

Well said Richard. But how and I am intrigued how do they politically achieve that.

Seems to be a fabulous goal to aim for. I can only think that it is gross selfishness which precludes that achievement out side Scandinavian countries.

Laurie

 

[Dave W]

The UK isn't perfect .But I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

 

[Ian M]

You must have the best roads / health service/education system in Europe.

Well the health service is free....but not dental, that you have to pay for. A crown can set you back £500'ish...

The roads are.... not bad., but we also pay a yearly "tax" for the honour of driving on them,,,

The education system here is like the UK under funded, over stretched and failing. lol

Cigarettes are cheaper here though, only £4 a pack! (oh there goes another 20p LOL)

a case of 30 bottles of pop cost more than beer due to taxes on sugar..Even if the soda's are 'sugar free'.

Here is a good one. NUTS. there is a special tax on nuts. between 40 - 60% of the price is tax. its an old tax from the war (I think) when nuts where a luxury item, like chocolate..

I know Norway has some of the highest taxation rates going (fuel is the highest in Europe by quite a bit)...

And in second place we have.........Denmark.

However Denmark is not the oil nation Norway is and does not have the "savings" that they do. last I heard there is over one million krone per person in Norway being saved for a rainy day...

But as you point out, I am here 'cause I like it here.

Ian M

 

[eddiesolo]

Si what have you done to yourself Please return to your normal self Laurie

Normal, define normal on this site

I did add a winky smiley however, and it was put tongue in cheek. If it was that bad then I am sure Ian would not live there, nowhere is perfect but sometimes the place offers more than just cash perks.

Si

 

[Alan 45]

I keep hearing the term ' free health care' thing is no mater what country that uses this term is being honest as the taxes, national insurance and duty pays for it so the only people who receive free healthcare are people on benefits that have never worked

So I can't see why they call it free !

 

[Guest]

Well said Richard. But how and I am intrigued how do they politically achieve that.Seems to be a fabulous goal to aim for. I can only think that it is gross selfishness which precludes that achievement out side Scandinavian countries.

Laurie

Laurie, I can only guess from my experience of Scandanavian colleagues that, as you suggest, they really do seem to me to have a better developed sense of social responsibility. They believe in the good of the country as a whole and are prepared to pay the taxes necessary to fund it. I have been convinced for some time that we do not pay enough income tax in the UK but hide it in all sorts of other things such as fuel, alcohol etc. This seems to be for no other reason than increasing income tax would be so unpopular that any government that attempted it would never get elected again.

Now quite why Scandanavians seem to have a higher level of social responsibility and those in the UK seem to be getting more and more selfish in thier outlooks and have no interest in the good of the community, country, colleagues etc. I really have no idea, but it really does seem to be that way. Maybe we follow the Americans a lot more closely, which seems to be extreemly depressing to see where that is going to take us.

An interesting point to note is that in my expereinces of living in Italy and Germany it seems that most families still believe in eating together in the evening around the same table. We seem to be trending far more towards the American model of everyone comes in and eats as and when they want and they go out again, never to share a conversation with the rest of the family. Whether you think that is relevent or not it seems to go hand in hand with the ever increasing numbers of single parent families, another institution driven by the American values of "What's in it for me".

 

[Guest]

Si I never realised how handsome you were and a astronaut as well I bet you have the girls flocking to your feet.

 

[Ian M]

An interesting point to note is that in my expereinces of living in Italy and Germany it seems that most families still believe in eating together in the evening around the same table.

An interesting point indeed. The place I work we have people from most of Europe and Asia. I get the impression that the further West people come from the bigger the family divide.

Scandinavia has a tradition that in Denmark is called "Hygge" there is no word for it in English but it is hanging out with family and friends. Just sitting chatting, or watch a film together, eat, or just relax and shoot the breeze. It cant be beaten.

As for going back to England... Might be an idea Si. Being an immigrant, I would be given a house and a car and could live on benefits the rest of my days. lol

Ian M