discussion Think i've found a replacement to Klear......

[Guest]

Didn't get the results i was hoping with the new Klear, so i raided HWMBO's cleaning stuff.:bangin:Found this stuff and gave it a go.only try'd it on the quadford's glass and a 1/48 spit canopy the results once dryed is amazing. try it for your self. CheersMartin

 

[Guest]

What next Martin ? That is astonishing !!

I got very fed up with Klear. Gives me a headache & also found that the slightest will give a scratch which splinters.

Last model I used Vallejo gloss varnish air brushed on & found this much more protective added to which the decals went on perfectly which I did not find with Klear.

I know the cost factor has been sighted as an argument but so little, at least with Vallejo, is needed the cost is minimal. You can now get a large 200ml bottle for peanuts.

Not only that I do not have to go through the ritual expecting a headache, getting a headache, suffering through a headache, a moan, the horrible smell (bad bad) of Klear, plus two paracetamols tablets. Now there is a saving. QED.

Laurie

 

[Guest]

I couldn't find Klear of Future and so use a product called "Quick Shine" by Holloway House. Seems to do what Klear is supposed to do, based on my reading of the forum posts, but judged by my low experience of modelling mind.

I haven't sprayed it yet, but haven't noticed any ill effects that I can relate to the polish, however, I must admit I agree with you Laurie, the Vallejo varnish is good and would be my preference.

 

[Guest]

Didn't get the results i was hoping with the new Klear, so i raided HWMBO's cleaning stuff.:bangin:Found this stuff and gave it a go.only try'd it on the quadford's glass and a 1/48 spit canopy the results once dryed is amazing. try it for your self. CheersMartin

I can't see how that would work the same as Klear, Klear is an acrylic varnish for hard wood floors, this is a fabric shampoo, most likely it worked on the canopy by cleaning it rather than coating it which is what Klear does, it's thin enough to flow into tiny scratches etc and give the appearance of the canopy being thinner.

Regarding a replacement for Klear, this stuff.

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Which is the rebranded Klear behaves exactly the same as the old stuff though it's translucent milky white rather than see through and clear.

The only other downside is the new perfurmed smell, it digs into my head a bit as well but then i've never been able to stomach the perfume sections in dept stores either.

It's available in Morrissons supermarkets for £3.50 ish a bottle

As an alternative, I also have Xtracrylics varnish, cheap, excellent, thins with water and sprays well.

 

[Guest]

I don't know why it works it just does, It puts a lovely shine on every thing and doesn't block or jam up my AB.

It was only a suggestion.

 

[Guest]

I have just tried Cif Floor Polish. Its clear, less perfumed than Klear ( pleasant but not overpowering). I tried it out on some figures I have as I dont really build them just to see the results. It didnt stink my AB up and the figures have a nice gloss to them. They stand up to an oil wash well and I can tell no difference from Klear. Except that its only just over two quid from Wilkinsons for the same size bottle of Klear! I'll try and post some photos of the figures but my camera work isnt brilliant. I have to use my iphone.

Keith

 

[Guest]

It contains acrylic varnish does it? :bounce8:

 

[Guest]

A bottle of Kleer went on eBay yesterday for £26.00 plus P&P!! It's obviously well worth looking for alternatives.

Hopefully my bottle will see me out. Maybe I should include it in my will!

 

[Guest]

It contains acrylic varnish does it? :bounce8:

I'm no chemist but it states it contains benzisothialzolinone which is used, in amongst other things, paints, varnishes and adhesives. Make of that what you will. As I say, I'm no chemist!

Keith

 

[Guest]

A bottle of Kleer went on eBay yesterday for £26.00 plus P&P!! It's obviously well worth looking for alternatives.Hopefully my bottle will see me out. Maybe I should include it in my will!

O dear I hate the stuff & have just given my wife back her original Kleer some 10 years old. Does it mature with age like antiques ? Perhaps it is an investment !

Laurie

 

[Guest]

I'm no chemist but it states it contains benzisothialzolinone which is used, in amongst other things, paints, varnishes and adhesives. Make of that what you will. As I say, I'm no chemist!Keith

Sounds hopeful then

 

[yak face]

I have just tried Cif Floor Polish. Its clear, less perfumed than Klear ( pleasant but not overpowering). I tried it out on some figures I have as I dont really build them just to see the results. It didnt stink my AB up and the figures have a nice gloss to them. They stand up to an oil wash well and I can tell no difference from Klear. Except that its only just over two quid from Wilkinsons for the same size bottle of Klear! I'll try and post some photos of the figures but my camera work isnt brilliant. I have to use my iphone.Keith

Can you get a photo of the bottle please keith ? then we know what to look for , it sounds very promising. cheers tony

 

[Guest]

Heres the stuff, Tony. I'm still giving it working trials before I decide on it but it does sound hopeful. Klear isnt a specialist stuff. Its only floor polish after all and at £2 a bottle its worth a go.

Keith

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[yak face]

Thanks keith. tony

 

[Guest]

I hate to say it Tony but I cant duplicate the results I got initially. Maybe its not as good as I originally thought.

keith

 

[Guest]

I bought this stuff a while back to refinish a customers floor, but reading the ingredients, it's got the same 'shiny' as new Klear but with the old ammonia base. I've tried it on a spare transparency and it works a treat with none of the variation in surface that's sometime reported with the new Klear. I haven't tried spraying, but works nicely over acrylics when brushed. Not cheap at about £12 a litre from your local hardware store or online, but seems to be a reliable alternative to Klear.

 

[stona]

I'm no chemist but it states it contains benzisothialzolinone which is used, in amongst other things, paints, varnishes and adhesives. Make of that what you will. As I say, I'm no chemist!Keith

Well I was once a chemist and can assure you that benzisothialzolinone has got nothing to do with any shine. It is a biocide and is present in varnishes and paints in very small amounts,typically as a fungicide.

Cheers

Steve

 

[Ian M]

Having gotten hold of a bottle of new Klear, I can say that I was rather amazed. Amazed at what all the flaffle is about. OK OK its great for canopies. Oh its rather good for getting a nice shine on granit floors as well.

This is only my humble opinion, but if you want a smooth shiny surface to apply decals, use an acrylic varnish such as Vallejo of Xtracrylix. Yes I know it costs more per litre but are we all so hard pressed that we refuse to pay for a bottle of varnish that can last a good 15-20 kits, when we shell out for paints all the time.... I don't get it.

I know that when Klear hit the model scene there was no other product like it and it opened up all kinds possibilities. Now many years later we have the alternatives and every one just keeps going back to the good old klear, (because its what all the others use?).

Right off the soap box. sorry.

Ian M

 

[Guest]

Ian, as far as the new Klear/Pledge goes, I'm in complete agreement. It's rubbish! Yes, it'll seal paint & provide a glossy surface, but it's no where near as good as the old stuff.

I'm leaving my bottle in the kitchen cupboard where it belongs & moving to Vallejo.

Right, back to zimmeriting a Tiger!

Patrick

 

[Guest]

Well I tried both old & new Klear just before Christmas & found hardly any difference. Both were yucks & now banned.

Cannot say that they really enhances canopies. And will scratch easily on canopies. Doubt if any one would notice I did not use it on a Mosquito compared to the other 6 models completed. Also found tape did not stick as well to Klear as to the original plastic surface.

Agree with Ian. Now use Vallejo varnish for Decals & on the last model were far better than all the models before using Klear.

Also means that I am all Vallejo with out any mixes of manufacturer which reading from time to time the incompatibility suits me fine.

You can also buy 200ml of Vallejo Varnish at rock bottom cost.

So my world is fine & dandy.

Laurie