discussion What has Disappeared?

[RonGlass]

That is a sad reality, not sure why because gardening has something for everyone! you can put in as much or little effort as you like it encompasses art and science and it's a worthwhile satisfying thing to do, shame the BBC flagship gardening show has gone so woke!!

Lol, I'm trying to imagine how woke applies to a garden, can you elaborate ? I know that here, different people use that term loosely and often assign a different definition to it so I usually need to ask about the context just so I know what they are saying

That is a sad reality, not sure why because gardening has something for everyone! you can put in as much or little effort as you like it encompasses art and science and it's a worthwhile satisfying thing to do, shame the BBC flagship gardening show has gone so woke!!

I was curious enough to Google this. Ehh, this looks like another rabbit hole so to speak, I like gardens whatever they encompass.

 

[Tim Marlow]

Lol, I'm trying to imagine how woke applies to a garden, can you elaborate ? I know that here, different people use that term loosely and often assign a different definition to it so I usually need to ask about the context just so I know what they are saying

Never know why it gets used as an insult to be honest Ron. All it means to me is to be aware that your words may upset someone, so think before you speak. After all, no one wants to upset anyone deliberately surely…..so why is it an insult?

 

[Gary MacKenzie]

Why does he have a pair of long nose pliers hanging from his belt?

Miko (from Department M)

Was that Jason King or Department S ???

 

[Guest]

Never know why it gets used as an insult to be honest

Because it doesn’t mean how you define it to everyone. To those who consider themselves “woke”, it frequently means they are right about the things they strongly believe in and those who don’t agree with them, are wrong. To those who oppose “wokeness”, it often means that the people they’re calling woke, are wrong. All of this according to their own definitions of “right” and “wrong”, of course, and with no apparent middle ground, shades of grey, or any thought of possible compromise.

I say all of that as a neutral observer, who would prefer it if everybody did see middle ground and shades of grey in just about everything. But what do I know?

 

[David Lovell]

Don't know really if a mod should put a end to this one here before we have a political breakdown the country's running hot without us all falling out with each other lets please keep this our own safe place to come to.

 

[Miko]

Lol, I'm trying to imagine how woke applies to a garden, can you elaborate ? I know that here, different people use that term loosely and often assign a different definition to it so I usually need to ask about the context just so I know what they are saying

Difficult to reply to this one without potentially disturbing the sensibilities of those prone to offense!

As with many BBC productions they incorporate a disproportionate representation of 'equality diversity and inclusivity' from actual national demographics.

Gender, sexuality, disability, ethnic back ground political preference etc has little to do with how to maintain a garden and need not be issue. It just smacks of virtue signalling according to those who pass comment to me.

Miko (tiptoeing through a PC minefield!)

 

[Miko]

Was that Jason King or Department S ???

Both! the same character played by Mr Wyngarde

Miko (prefered the 'The Avengers' of all the 60's 'action' series)

 

[RonGlass]

Because it doesn’t mean how you define it to everyone. To those who consider themselves “woke”, it frequently means they are right about the things they strongly believe in and those who don’t agree with them, are wrong. To those who oppose “wokeness”, it often means that the people they’re calling woke, are wrong. All of this according to their own definitions of “right” and “wrong”, of course, and with no apparent middle ground, shades of grey, or any thought of possible compromise.

I say all of that as a neutral observer, who would prefer it if everybody did see middle ground and shades of grey in just about everything. But what do I know?

Tim and Jakko.
My own understanding of the term is, simply being aware and able to acknowledge racial injustice and discrimination. I would think anybody with a modicum of intelligence could agree with that one simple basis. But, I am proven wrong in my own day-to-day work travels. Anyway, woke is one term that has been highjacked and bastardized by a hateful, frightened and angry people (here, In the US anyway) who use it to lash out at pretty much anybody who looks, acts differently then they themselves. Quite often when asked, they have no idea how to define this word that they have weaponized.
Jakko is far more cerebral than I am. This I freely avcknowledge. I had to read his response twice and lol I think I agree with all he said. So that's all I've got on that.

 

[RonGlass]

Difficult to reply to this one without potentially disturbing the sensibilities of those prone to offense!

As with many BBC productions they incorporate a disproportionate representation of 'equality diversity and inclusivity' from actual national demographics.

Gender, sexuality, disability, ethnic back ground political preference etc has little to do with how to maintain a garden and need not be issue. It just smacks of virtue signalling according to those who pass comment to me.

Miko (tiptoeing through a PC minefield!)
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Miko hey I am not particularly sensitive to PC stuff other than just trying to live by the golden rule. Beyond that, I've got my own likes and dislikes and I generally keep those to myself. No eggshells around me lol.
It was just a new one on me to see the terms "woke" and "gardening" in the same sentence so I had to ask!

 

[Miko]

I was curious enough to Google this. Ehh, this looks like another rabbit hole so to speak, I like gardens whatever they encompass.

Gardening really does have something for everyone, whether it be a neglected pot plant on the window sill or huge garden estate, it can take a couple of minutes a week or be a full on daily workout, it appeals to those with an artistic nature from flower arranging to formal gardens and everywhere in between, it has many science disciplines from not just botany but everything from genetics soil science and entimology to meteorology physics and chemistry, it's good for the environment and the planet. and you get to grow your own food should you choose to

Miko (green fingered)

 

[RonGlass]

Gardening really does have something for everyone, whether it be a neglected pot plant on the window sill or huge garden estate, it can take a couple of minutes a week or be a full on daily workout, it appeals to those with an artistic nature from flower arranging to formal gardens and everywhere in between, it has many science disciplines from not just botany but everything from genetics soil science and entimology to meteorology physics and chemistry, it's good for the environment and the planet. and you get to grow your own food should you choose to

Miko (green fingered)

Miko when I referred to the Gardening topic as a rabbit hole I hope I didn't seem disrespectful or dismissive. Certainly not my intention. "Tip of the Iceberg" I think would have been more apt. At any rate, I find most gardens tranquil and relaxing and love them despite my lack of awareness.

 

[rickoshea52]

Stars in the sky, for those who don’t live in the countryside.

 

[rickoshea52]

I know what Iggy Pop laments having disappeared- Smoking on the Airplane.

 

[Ian M]

All kind of interesting, but as Mr. Lovell has pointed out this thread is toeing the line, so to speak. Lets try to steer away from the political comment and stick to the idea of things that we miss from the past.

Here's a few more:
Jeans made of quality Demin and not that thin stretchy junk- Also of a size comparable to the size tag. Twice I have bought jeans, two pairs for a good saving. one pair fit the others dont.
Propper rubber soles on outdoor and "training" shoes. way to many plastic ones now days.

Shops. All well and convenient with all the super markets but I do miss going t'shops. Service, a friendly chat and more often than not better quality across the board. these days a shopping center (here in DK at least) is 90% women's shoe and clothing, the rest household goods, a couple of burgerbars and a "pub" (in some).

 

[Neil Merryweather]

Gardening really does have something for everyone, whether it be a neglected pot plant on the window sill or huge garden estate, it can take a couple of minutes a week or be a full on daily workout, it appeals to those with an artistic nature from flower arranging to formal gardens and everywhere in between, it has many science disciplines from not just botany but everything from genetics soil science and entimology to meteorology physics and chemistry, it's good for the environment and the planet. and you get to grow your own food should you choose to

Miko (green fingered)

I hate gardening

I hate gardening

To clarify. I have quite a nice garden which came with the house, and I have to work really physically hard not to ruin it. That basically consists of cutting appropriately 50-60 metres of 3 metre high hedge at least twice a year, which really takes it out of me physically. I mow the lawn regularly and trim the bushes.
That's it.
I have too much to do with my hobbies that I like to bother about planting or,god forbid, nurturing anything.
Nothing is all things to all men....

And no, paying someone to do it is not an option

 

[Tim Marlow]

Shops. All well and convenient with all the super markets but I do miss going t'shops. Service, a friendly chat and more often than not better quality across the board. these days a shopping center (here in DK at least) is 90% women's shoe and clothing, the rest household goods, a couple of burgerbars and a "pub" (in some).

In the UK these days most shopping areas are about fifty percent coffee and fast food outlets, thirty percent are charity shops, and about twenty percent are shops which are exactly the same as everywhere else. Independents and regional variation are a vanishingly small percentage of the retail footprint. There simply is no variety. It’s convenient, yes, but It is really difficult to find a shopping area that holds my interest for more than a few minutes general browsing.

 

[Dave Ward]

All kind of interesting, but as Mr. Lovell has pointed out this thread is toeing the line, so to speak. Lets try to steer away from the political comment and stick to the idea of things that we miss from the past.

Here's a few more:
Jeans made of quality Demin and not that thin stretchy junk- Also of a size comparable to the size tag. Twice I have bought jeans, two pairs for a good saving. one pair fit the others dont.
Propper rubber soles on outdoor and "training" shoes. way to many plastic ones now days.

Shops. All well and convenient with all the super markets but I do miss going t'shops. Service, a friendly chat and more often than not better quality across the board. these days a shopping center (here in DK at least) is 90% women's shoe and clothing, the rest household goods, a couple of burgerbars and a "pub" (in some).

Ian,
I started this thread hoping for nostalgic recollections - It seems that some members always have to inject a certain amount of controversy!
Everybody - Please look at the thread title, and don't introduce things that aren't really relevant . 100+ posts & over 800 views, shows that there is interest, so please keep on track!
Dave

 

[peterairfix]

Pound notes
I hate having a pocket full of pound coins at least with the notes I looked like you were rich and they didn't weigh so much.

 

[Tim Marlow]

Hedgehogs. I honestly can’t remember the last time I saw one, but it must be at least thirty years ago. They were commonplace when I was a kid, even on our sixties concrete council estate.

 

[stona]

Toys that gave children the opportunity to maim themselves or their friends have sadly disappeared.

I remember 'experimenting' with Jetex motors - what could possibly go wrong.

I also have a photograph of my brother with a stream of water about six inches from his ear as he dodged one of those water rockets that took off at about 600 mph and reached some serious altitudes. The stream of water was all the photographer (me) captured, the rocket was long gone.

Tree climbing. I take the grandkids go to a place where they can climb a climbing wall, protected with a rope and harness and they have a great time, which is fine, but also very organised and a bit sterile. We just climbed trees. I have another picture of my brother about 40' high in the thinning branches of a tree, the branches a baboon might go to in order to avoid being eaten by a leopard. My grandad took that picture and was completely unconcerned.

Someone already mentioned air gun fights. We used to wear an anorak for protection, but that didn't work for a pellet to the knee - ask me how I know! I still have the scar more than fifty years later.

Anyone else make bolt bombs? A friend at school managed to blow his hand up with one, a nasty injury and he lost part of his index finger. Nobody got sued or went to prison and he was a celebrity for about a week.

Sometimes I wonder how we survived.