discussion Brush vs airbrush?

[Guest]

Absolutely correct John. But clearly you have not tried MRP because they actually do what they say they will do. I have never once thinned them even doing mottle, never had tip dry either.

Morning Barry.
The first thing I would have to ask does it smell and what type of paint is it ?
These days I try to stay away from any strong fumes, having at time refinished and made various items of furniture, although wearing a mask and having a proper spray room .

 

[BarryW]

Never had tip dry issues with Tamiya/Mr Color and MLT either…they do have associated PPE issues though. Does MRP have specific PPE requirements?

MRP is a lacquer paint similar to Mr Color, but it does not need thinning.

The point is it really does not need to be thinned, ever.

As for PPE, to be honest I am rather too relaxed over it. I have an extraction booth but because a face mask mists my glasses I rarely wear a mask.

 

[Tim Marlow]

It’s your lungs Barry, but I would read up on the MSDS before exposing them like that. If your glasses are steaming up your mask doesn’t fit properly, or is not fit for purpose. I would strongly suggest you source a better quality mask before you do your lungs and organs irreparable damage.

 

[Guest]

As for PPE, to be honest I am rather too relaxed over it. I have an extraction booth but because a face mask mists my glasses I rarely wear a mask.

Barry, for what it's worth, I wear specs myself and use a 3M 6051 respirator which is inexpensive as are the filters. No fogging and very comfortable with the specs.

 

[Airborne01]

Been modelling A long time…..never made anything perfect yet though! I always see room for improvement in everything I do. It’s what drives me to make the next tank/plane/car/figure or what have you. I think if I could produce perfection I’d get really bored really quickly.

Tim,
As I recall, in Japanese culture the imperfection is part of the perfection - hence high quality porcelain would have a flaw deliberately incorporated! That actually forms a rationale for my failed efforts!
Steve

 

[The Smythe Meister]

Tim,
As I recall, in Japanese culture the imperfection is part of the perfection - hence high quality porcelain would have a flaw deliberately incorporated! That actually forms a rationale for my failed efforts!
Steve

Blimey Steve.......
.....by that train of thinking....... i`m an absolute GENIOUS !!

 

[BarryW]

It’s your lungs Barry, but I would read up on the MSDS before exposing them like that. If your glasses are steaming up your mask doesn’t fit properly, or is not fit for purpose. I would strongly suggest you source a better quality mask before you do your lungs and organs irreparable damage.

I have had at least half-dozen different types of mask and I have not had one fit well.

Don't get me wrong, I know there is a problem and that is why I spent more than most on an expensive high quality venting spray booth with a good 'draw'.

I also will still, most of the time, wear a mask while spraying primer or if spraying for more than a few minutes, even though it is very frustrating trying to cope with it. Most of my spray sessions are over within 5 minutes.

I have tried a lot of different ways to sort the issue, so far without much significant success. I am still searching!

 

[Tim Marlow]

I would seek out a professional supplier then Barry. You need to carry out what is called a “face fit” test. That will tell you exactly what size mask you need. Just buying off the shelf, if you don’t know what size you need, is a bit of a guessing game otherwise.

 

[Tim Marlow]

Barry, for what it's worth, I wear specs myself and use a 3M 6051 respirator which is inexpensive as are the filters. No fogging and very comfortable with the specs.

That’s my weapon of choice as well. Excellent bit of kit.

 

[BarryW]

I would seek out a professional supplier then Barry. You need to carry out what is called a “face fit” test. That will tell you exactly what size mask you need. Just buying off the shelf, if you don’t know what size you need, is a bit of a guessing game otherwise.

There is a thought. I had no idea that there are such specialists around! A good tip, thank you. I will make enquiries.

 

[Tim Marlow]

There is a thought. I had no idea that there are such specialists around! A good tip, thank you. I will make enquiries.

Sometimes called a fit test, or a face fit test…google it and see what comes up….
The other thing is that you need to be clean shaven, but your avatar suggests you are already :thumb2:

 

[Airborne01]

Blimey Steve.......
.....by that train of thinking....... i`m an absolute GENIOUS !!

Just join the queue mate!

 

[Guest]

Part of the editorial comment in the September 21 edition of Scale Aircraft Modelling magazine has some relevance to this thread ...

"There is no 'right' way to build a model, and our content is edited to reflect this, and to offer options and alternatives rather than presenting the work of a master builder and saying 'this what you should do ...'

I have no affiliation to this magazine and the intention is not to promote it, however, I thought the sentiments expressed were worthy of a highlight.

 

[rtfoe]

I have no issues with any medium of application as long as it serves the specific kind of finish I want. It can even be from a cutip or sponge. Nobody's done a mini sized roller...that would be something to try.

Cheers,
Richard

 

[Tim Marlow]

I have no issues with any medium of application as long as it serves the specific kind of finish I want. It can even be from a cutip or sponge. Nobody's done a mini sized roller...that would be something to try.

Cheers,
Richard

Cutips (cotton buds to the anglos) are hollow, you could easily make your own Richard…. :tongue-out3:

 

[dalej2014]

So. 16 months later I've finally bought a cheap airbrush! Not one to rush, obviously.
Going well so far. That is paint is spraying, and cleaning is ok. I've got a respirator, and am just doing short "bursts" (pardon the pun!).
Will post results once I have some; so far just touched up the Toon Tiger.

 

[adt70hk]

So. 16 months later I've finally bought a cheap airbrush! Not one to rush, obviously.
Going well so far. That is paint is spraying, and cleaning is ok. I've got a respirator, and am just doing short "bursts" (pardon the pun!).
Will post results once I have some; so far just touched up the Toon Tiger.

Dale

Welcome to the club.

I got my first airbrush probably about 4 1/2 years ago. I had two come with the compressor I got, cheap Chinese ones. One was a bottom feed and no good, the other was a side feed and worked ok once I got to grips with it. Whilst I probably could have saved myself a bit of pain in terms of the quality, what it did do was to give me a plenty of practice in how to use an airbrush and especially strip one down in the event of problems..... without running the risk of wrecking a decent one.

That said my most expensive one only cost me £100, which has a 0.2mm needle and I use for when I want a decent finish my other one was only about £60 and has a large cup with a 0.4 mm needle and so is perfect for things like priming and varnishing.

Looking forward to seeing it in use.

ATB.

Andrew

 

[dalej2014]

Thanks Andrew. I'm already looking at H&S and Iwata models, the former my preferred route for intechangability and ease of cleaning. Some of the prices are eye-watering, but I expect it to be an investment to last a lifetime. I've been quite pleased with my cheap airbrush so far.

 

[adt70hk]

Some of the prices are eye-watering.....

Aren't they just!!

My 'expensive' one was a personal recommendation from someone I used to know on another forum. He had tried about 30!!! Everything from super cheap to ridiculously expensive.....and this was the best he'd ever used. Mine is officially a Tamiya Superfine but the key components i.e. nozzle and needle are Iwata.

 

[The Smythe Meister]

I have no issues with any medium of application as long as it serves the specific kind of finish I want. It can even be from a cutip or sponge. Nobody's done a mini sized roller...that would be something to try.

Cheers,
Richard

I'm in your camp here Richard
In fact I don't actually enjoy usually an airbrush and only do so if totally necessary,(all the faffing about with the thing does my head in!!).
I prefer to use rattle cans on most areas,and hand painting where I can get away with it.... there, I've said it..
....... Let the abuse commence!