Morning, perhaps someone more in the know could help me out (wotan) I have figured out what rigging line to use but there is no mention of length maybe its simple and I just can't figure this one out 
Brian's 1/100 HMS Victory
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That looks pretty complicated…….I get the first three columns, but can’t quite grasp what it means by “path”. It’s a fascinating problem though 
. What I would say is that these are the fixed ends of those lines, obviously being attached while you can still access them. Would they therefore be made oversized and then cut to length once the other end is made fast on the masts or yards?
. What I would say is that these are the fixed ends of those lines, obviously being attached while you can still access them. Would they therefore be made oversized and then cut to length once the other end is made fast on the masts or yards?
Ditto Tim the numbers in the path column don't relate to page or step I'm a bit stumped :sad:
The M numbers in the “path” column obviously relate to the relevant blocks, and looking again there is a correlation between A3 and A4 in the number cordage column and E1. A3 and A4 have a phase 118 reference, and E1 has a path 118 reference. Not sure how they correlate though. Is it perhaps the step when they are joined in some way?
No idea what the key to the path column text is either. There is text in normal, italics, block, and boxed characters. Is there a key anywhere for those? Could be they describe the various methods of joining the rigging?
Don’t think I’m helping much, probably giving you more questions than answers, but it is very interesting
No idea what the key to the path column text is either. There is text in normal, italics, block, and boxed characters. Is there a key anywhere for those? Could be they describe the various methods of joining the rigging?
Don’t think I’m helping much, probably giving you more questions than answers, but it is very interesting
Brian
These look like STAY fasteners. I suspect the PATH column may refer to the piece number to which the stay will be attached. For those lines that are doubled through a block the only concern is to make them the same length on matching sides. As Tim mentioned for those lines that are not doubled I would cut them a little over length and wit until the masts are stepped (fitted) to cut to final length OR just leave them off completely until the masts are in place.
BTW the cordage is on its way.....
John
These look like STAY fasteners. I suspect the PATH column may refer to the piece number to which the stay will be attached. For those lines that are doubled through a block the only concern is to make them the same length on matching sides. As Tim mentioned for those lines that are not doubled I would cut them a little over length and wit until the masts are stepped (fitted) to cut to final length OR just leave them off completely until the masts are in place.
BTW the cordage is on its way.....
John
Thanks John
I'm going to have a look at the manual and see if any of your suggestions make it easier to understand ......Thanks Tim and John
Strikes me that a couple of hundred years ago a ten year old midshipman could have solved this for us in minutes
John your right had a good read/look and I sussed it for example A1 is 0.3 dia and path goes from 76 to 121
Just to add my bit to this, Brian.
I've built a few sailing ships in the past. I must confess to never having done full on running rigging, just a basic effort for effect. However, the standing rigging I've done complete, if nothing else but to keep the masts vertical and true ready for the running element.
It seems to me that the masts should be stepped first. before any rigging is attempted. That is the way I've approached the task anyway.......
Whichever way you proceed, good luck with this interesting build. It's looking excellent thus far.
Ron
I've built a few sailing ships in the past. I must confess to never having done full on running rigging, just a basic effort for effect. However, the standing rigging I've done complete, if nothing else but to keep the masts vertical and true ready for the running element.
It seems to me that the masts should be stepped first. before any rigging is attempted. That is the way I've approached the task anyway.......
Whichever way you proceed, good luck with this interesting build. It's looking excellent thus far.
Ron
I agree Ron but the lines must be attached before the deck goes on otherwise I can't get at them.
Oh no more guns to build only 44 more to go
John what colour rope would these be? black or natural
John what colour rope would these be? black or natural
Brian
Normally Permanent Backstays would be tarred and therefore black. However the lower section on those that go through the block would be considered as Running Backstays and the whole thing would probably be left natural colour. If you want to wait it is quite easy to colour lines with diluted black indian ink after installation.
John
Normally Permanent Backstays would be tarred and therefore black. However the lower section on those that go through the block would be considered as Running Backstays and the whole thing would probably be left natural colour. If you want to wait it is quite easy to colour lines with diluted black indian ink after installation.
John
BTW Brian where the stays are shown going through the hull you could always attach them later by fixing a very small eye bolt in the hole.
These are easily made by turning a piece of thin copper wire around a pin or similar and cutting to length. On many ships this is in fact how the backstays were attached.
Here are some backstays on my Unicorn.
John
These are easily made by turning a piece of thin copper wire around a pin or similar and cutting to length. On many ships this is in fact how the backstays were attached.
Here are some backstays on my Unicorn.
John
Thanks John much appreciated
Fixed rigging tar black running lines and sheets natural hemp.
I don't want to see another cannon for the foreseeable future took me 3 days to do 42 I was loosing heart so needed a break.
And look what's left loads of spares.
And look what's left loads of spares.
Well, if you pick a 100 gun first rate as your build you are going to have to make 100 guns Looking very good though.
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